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Hey there I got to show you guys these pictures NIST has put in release 32 inside the FOX folder of one torrent
The path to the folder is 911datasets.org\International_Center_for_911_Studies_NIST_FOIA\Release_32\Release 32\42A0356 - G32D1\FOX
And the photo's which I think are still frames NIST has taken from a FOX news clip of one of the towers collapsing and the photos
Are suspiciously named WTC-bomb-frame048_1_1047.jpg and WTC-bomb-frame105_1048.jpg and has a far away shot of one of the towers
collapsing and has in the first picture two squibs of smoke circled in yellow with BOMB printed next to them and written in yellow below
The circled with a line in yellow writing plane floor where the plane crash and in the second picture when the top section begins to
Descend down there is a squib like ten floors below and NIST has circled it in yellow with yellow writing saying
bomb explosion while building collapsing. I ant think of any other way to describe this as some kind of an admission
Of the truth by NIST the photo's themselves on the properties summary tab have been edited with Photoshop 7.0 as you will
See NIST has to explain why they have the pictures labeled in this fashion because it is something that needs further investigating
Explaining because someone at NIST obviously has labeled the two still frames like this for a reason, trust NIST to give one explanation
Of events and then come out give a piece of information which is the exact opposite of their original explanation which totally contradicts
Their findings, who knows maybe someone at NIST is trying to tell us something I am just speculating now and I will let you look at the
Pictures and judge for yourselves. But just think about it this way for a second why would NIST label something which everyone explains away as just air pressure as result of the buildings collapsing "BOMBS" unless it is an actual admission of the truth? But we all know at the end of the day what the real truth is and that NIST is lying to cover something up and these pictures just validate our suspicions even further I just hope these pictures put the nail in the coffin once and for all for NIST with evidence that contradict their claims and points to the real truth. So this is what really
happened isnt it NIST?

Here are the pictures i apologise if they are too small that's just they way they where in NISTS folder if you click on the link and go to them it
makes them a little bit bigger.

(IMG:http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/7048/wtcbombpicturesfoxfolde.th.jpg)

(IMG:http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/6677/wtcbombframe04811047.th.jpg)

(IMG:http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/4760/wtcbombframe1051048.th.jpg)

Cheers Guys

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One, tell them NIST, the creators of the fantasy, do not believe in the pancake theory. Then explain they never modeled the global collapse in the first place. Official excuse: "too chaotic for computer models".

Second, explain the reasoning this way, which has now become my favorite way to introduce the subject to both laymen and expert:

1. Build or imagine a structure composed of all of the same material. WTC towers, lemons,pizza boxes, crackers, it doesn't
matter.

2. Take 1/10th of the top part of the structure, lift it just off the top of the remaining part, and drop it on the remaining
9/10ths of the structure. In order for the official collapse excuse to be valid, the 1/10th will crush down the remaining
9/10ths at nearly free fall speed/time every time. With regards to the towers, there was of course support between the
top part and the bottom part minus impact damage. And the bottom part of the towers actually got stronger on the way
down. But the elementary exercise will explain the gist of the arguement.

2a. You can now explain to your group why NIST didn't model the global collapse, as their excuse was the event was "too
chaotic to model" via computer. I might add also that it is impossible to model in reality as well.

3. Then explain to the people the impossibility of such a notion and from there introduce the concept of support removal via
explosives, thermite/thermate, external energy source, etc in order to get to a global collapse.

From there, you can get into the theorizing....how did they get into the complext to wire it up? Check security. What explains the events in the basements prior to collapse? Support removal to ensure global collapse, survivors reminded of WTC 93 truck bomb, etc. Check early hypothesis of FBI on 9/11: truck bomb. Firefighter's descriptions of explosions going off, check PA transcripts. You may arrive at someone telling you, "yeah well maybe the terrorists did gain access to the guts of the towers....". Fair enough. Then ask why did NIST, FEMA, BATF, etc. etc. NOT test for explosive residues in the debris or why they didn't even consider a controlled demolition hypothesis. Then you can explain the fallacy of ommission with regards to 9/11, etc
 
Many respected senior members of the military, intelligence services, and government have expressed significant criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report. Some even allege government complicity in the terrible acts of 9/11. Below are the highly revealing public statements on this vital topic of over 50 prominent public servants with links for verification and further investigation.

The collective voices of these respected senior officials along with over 100 esteemed professors, over 200 pilots and aviation professionals, and hundreds of architects and engineers give credibility to the claim that the 9/11 Commission Report is tragically flawed. These dedicated individuals from across the political spectrum are not irresponsible believers in some 9/11 conspiracy theory. Their sincere concern, backed by decades of service to their country, demonstrate that criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report is not only reasonable and responsible, it is in fact a patriotic duty.



http://www.wanttoknow.info/officialsquestion911commissionreport
 
General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army (ret) – Commanding General of Army Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM), 1981 - 1984. Also commanded U.S. Army's Intelligence Center. Former head of Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence. 32-year Army career. Inducted into the Military Intelligence Hall of Fame in 1990.

Video: "One of my experiences in the Army was being in charge of the Army's Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence during the Cold War. I measured pieces of Soviet equipment from photographs. It was my job. I look at the hole in the Pentagon and I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon. And I said, ‘The plane does not fit in that hole'. So what did hit the Pentagon? What hit it? Where is it? What's going on?" http://www.undersiegemovie.com... . Another video of General Stubblebine's testimony is available here.


Bio: http://www.canadiansub.com/Board....
 
Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter. Air Force fighter pilot, over 100 combat missions. PhD in Aeronautics, Nuclear Engineering.

Video: "A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story ... of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It's impossible. … There's a second group of facts having to do with the cover up. Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don't want us to know what happened. Who gained from 9/11? Who covered up crucial information? And who put out the patently false stories about 9/11 in the first place? I think the case is pretty clear that it's highly placed individuals in the administration with all roads passing through Dick Cheney. I think the very kindest thing that we can say about George W. Bush and all the people in the U.S. Government that have been involved in this massive cover-up ... is that they were aware of impending attacks and let them happen. However even that is high treason and conspiracy to commit murder." http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid...


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11. http://www.911truth.org/article.php?...


Bio: http://bowman2008.com/pg_01....



Raymond L. McGovern – Former Chairman, National Intelligence Estimates, CIA. Responsible for President's Daily Brief (PDB) for Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush. 27-year CIA veteran. Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer.

Video: "I think at simplest terms, there's a cover-up. The 9/11 report is a joke. The question is: What's being covered up? Is it gross malfeasance, gross negligence? Now there are a whole bunch of unanswered questions. And the reason they're unanswered is because this administration will not answer the questions. This is the bottom line for me; just as Hitler in 1933 cynically exploited the burning of the parliament building, the Reichstag, this is exactly what our President did in exploiting 9/11. The cynical way in which he played on our trauma, used it to justify attacking, making a war of aggression on a country that he knew had nothing to do with 9/11. That suffices for me. That's certainly an impeachable offense." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwu0bNaUcOU


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11. http://www.911truth.org/...


Bio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_McGovern
 
seewithyourowneyes said:
General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army (ret) – Commanding General of Army Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM), 1981 - 1984. Also commanded U.S. Army's Intelligence Center. Former head of Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence. 32-year Army career. Inducted into the Military Intelligence Hall of Fame in 1990.

Video: "One of my experiences in the Army was being in charge of the Army's Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence during the Cold War. I measured pieces of Soviet equipment from photographs. It was my job. I look at the hole in the Pentagon and I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon. And I said, ‘The plane does not fit in that hole'. So what did hit the Pentagon? What hit it? Where is it? What's going on?" http://www.undersiegemovie.com... . Another video of General Stubblebine's testimony is available here.


Bio: http://www.canadiansub.com/Board....
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Ever heard of The Men Who Stare At Goats? General Albert Stubblebine was the guy who thought he could walk through walls. You might want to look that up.

Great source you got there :rolleyes:
 
Seewithyourowneyes, a few questions:

1. Are you here to discuss any of the lunacy you spout? If so, please note that several questions and corrections have been posed to you. If you're just here to troll, disregard this and prepared to be reported.

2. Are you aware of the fact that everything you have brought up has been brought up a thousand times before and been soundly refuted?

3. Is your account a sock-puppet account of a previously banned member?

4. How long have you been a twoofer?
 
Shall I continue with the Hundreds of Military who question the Official lie...which most say was a cover up? how about all the family members who continue to press for the truth.....why none of you answered a simple question.....why did our government wait 411 days to start investigating the murder of thousands of innocent people why???? come on.....take a stab at it????
 
Col. George Nelson, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former U.S. Air Force aircraft accident investigator and airplane parts authority. 34-year Air Force career.

Essay: "The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden.

With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon. Similarly, with all the evidence available at the Pennsylvania crash site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged.

As painful and heartbreaking as was the loss of innocent lives and the lingering health problems of thousands more, a most troublesome and nightmarish probability remains that so many Americans appear to be involved in the most heinous conspiracy in our country's history." http://www.physics911.net/georgenelson....
 
seewithyourowneyes said:
Shall I continue with the Hundreds of Military who question the Official lie...which most say was a cover up? how about all the family members who continue to press for the truth.....
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You just gave us an example of a guy who thought he could psychically walk through walls. Why would you even give him as an example?

And btw please don't, we've seen all those lists before. :rolleyes: Do you want me to show you all the scientists, engineers and peer reviewed journal articles that dont subscribe to your fantasy? I guarantee you I'd win.

Keep going the way you're going and you will be banned for spamming.
why none of you answered a simple question.....why did our government wait 411 days to start investigating the murder of thousands of innocent people why???? come on.....take a stab at it????
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They didn't wait 411 days. Do tell us what makes you think they did? or can you only cut and paste?
 
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Shall I continue with the Hundreds of Military who question the Official lie...which most say was a cover up? how about all the family members who continue to press for the truth.....why none of you answered a simple question.....why did our government wait 411 days to start investigating the murder of thousands of innocent people why???? come on.....take a stab at it????
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This board has a search function. If you use it, you'll find everything you're regurgitating has been debunked and put to bed, many times over. That's how linkbarfers are dealt with these days.
 
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Shall I continue with the Hundreds of Military who question the Official lie...which most say was a cover up? how about all the family members who continue to press for the truth.....why none of you answered a simple question.....why did our government wait 411 days to start investigating the murder of thousands of innocent people why???? come on.....take a stab at it????
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Easy answer. They didn't.

Now, are you going to answer any of the questions and corrections put to you?
 
On 27 Nov 2002, 411 days after the attacks, Bush finally relented to the entreaties from victim’s families and bipartisan members of congress and agreed to form an investigatory commission. After more than a year of stalling, President Bush and Vice President Cheney finally consented to a so-called independent commission to investigate 9/11 as long as they could pick the chairman. On that day Bush appointed the grand master of deception and misuse of government power, instigator of covert operations and manipulating keeper of state secrets – Henry Kissinger, to head the investigation. A man that has been repeatedly investigated for his surreptitious activities and tried for war crimes was now called to head the investigation of one of the biggest crimes in America. This significant choice reveals more about Bush and Cheney than anything else. “With Kissinger's appointment, Bush rendered the independent commission a sham. How unfortunate. The public would be better served and the victims of 9/11 better honored by no commission rather than one headed by Kissinger.”


http://www.spingola.com/bush_war9.htm


411 days just like I said....next stupid person want an answer?
 
On 9/11, one plane, one crash would have been outrageous and should have raised big red flags – but four consecutive crashes with no timely military responses and no government accountability. There were procedure failures on 9/11 that could only have occurred if there was complicity from the highest levels of government. “No one in government has been reprimanded or even scolded for what we are told was the greatest intelligence failure in U.S. history. In fact, the very agencies which failed the nation watched their budgets increase dramatically, and some of the officials ostensibly at fault were actually promoted.”

http://www.spingola.com/bush_war9.htm
 
Right now you might assert that I am a paranoid conspiracy theorist who may even sport a foil cone on my head. Fine – your choice, but rejecting evidence in favor of inactivity will not save you or anyone else from the consequences. If one concedes that there might actually be a nefarious group in control of our government demands some responsible attention. It requires leaving that ever so cozy comfort zone. But just on the off chance that we citizens grow suspicious and vigilant – we have been warned against believing in such conspiracies by none other than George W. Bush who delivered a speech at the United Nations on 10 November 2001 that included the following:

“Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th; malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty.” [viii] Decide which of the 9/11 theories is hardest to swallow – the government’s or the many credible efforts of outside investigators and analysts? Which terrorists are we to blame?
 
seewithyourowneyes said:
On 9/11, one plane, one crash would have been outrageous and should have raised big red flags – but four consecutive crashes with no timely military responses and no government accountability. There were procedure failures on 9/11 that could only have occurred if there was complicity from the highest levels of government. “No one in government has been reprimanded or even scolded for what we are told was the greatest intelligence failure in U.S. history. In fact, the very agencies which failed the nation watched their budgets increase dramatically, and some of the officials ostensibly at fault were actually promoted.”

http://www.spingola.com/bush_war9.htm
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This is old debunked stuff. Where have you been for the last few years? Got anything new? The truthers are getting very boring,these threads are getting as predictable as a Greek Tragedy,isn't it time that this section of the forum was buried beside the rotting corpse of Da Troof movement?
 
like I said if you and others want to believe in a fairy tale as seen on the TV (it must be true if it came out of the TV) fine....I'm not brainwashed.....if It were possible for jet fuel to melt a building into dust then why would the demolition experts waste so much time rigging buildings when they could just fly a small plane into any building they wanted to demolish...wait about 57 minutes and wala.....straight down into a neet little pile....time to clean up boys!!!
 
do you have anything new? no none of you do...you just sit there (most of you seem to live on the computer) none of you have answered one question with anything credible...
 
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