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I used to read a lot of science fiction, now I have a hard time not shredding the inherent assumptions.

Oh, you are saying that I am illegally in possession of knowledge, which only a knowledge licensed chemical engineer is allowed to possess?
You are in possession of knowledge and then you connect it to form nonsense. It is not illegal to make up delusional nonsense, and you do it effortlessly, without thinking.

I am saying you are making up nonsense you think make sense, but it proves you have no clue what you are doing. You google chemistry, connect what you find to form fantasy claptrap. You make up stuff, it does not make sense.
 
"works in the aviation industry" indeed. Perhaps mopping floors in concourse B?


I could have been working in the aerospace industry if that centrifugal drive would have worked, and had not nearly destroyed the patio. Found out some guy named Goodard made the same mistake 70 years earlier. At least I fell into the same traps as giants.

Could someone toss me a rope? And this time, attach one end to something up there.
 
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"works in the aviation industry" indeed. Perhaps mopping floors in concourse B?
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You are in possession of knowledge and then you connect it to form nonsense. It is not illegal to make up delusional nonsense, and you do it effortlessly, without thinking.

I am saying you are making up nonsense you think make sense, but it proves you have no clue what you are doing. You google chemistry, connect what you find to form fantasy claptrap. You make up stuff, it does not make sense.

It is called synthesis, sure I get a lot of it wrong.
The first time


I would say that I have made at least 5 times more mistakes as most people.

The first iteration. I don't want to be standing anywhere near a first iteration invention.
Second iteration, I can usually be in line of site of the device, behind some thick polycarbonate.
Third Iteration
Fourth Iteration.... Most people quit here
Fifth Iteration
Sixth Iteration
Seventh Iteration is the 50% success point. At seven iterations the odds of it working are slightly in your favor.

Wile E. Coyote is closer to the truth than people could imagine.
 
It is called synthesis, sure I get a lot of it wrong.
The first time


I would say that I have made at least 5 times more mistakes as most people.

The first iteration. I don't want to be standing anywhere near a first iteration invention.
Second iteration, I can usually be in line of site of the device, behind some thick polycarbonate.
Third Iteration
Fourth Iteration.... Most people quit here
Fifth Iteration
Sixth Iteration
Seventh Iteration is the 50% success point. At seven iterations the odds of it working are slightly in your favor.

Wile E. Coyote is closer to the truth than people could imagine.

Ummmm........ medication could help. What happened to all the truthers who at least tried to be coherent when they posted? All came to their senses I suppose.
 
They have their full quota of toilet cleaners.

Do you remember that story about a leaking toilet that formed this big **** and **** icicle that broke off from the plane and crashed through someones roof? Enough time still hasn't passed for me to find that funny.
 
Ummmm........ medication could help. What happened to all the truthers who at least tried to be coherent when they posted? All came to their senses I suppose.

So, you think medications will help you catch up with me?
Sounds dangerous, go right ahead.
 
The big problem with thermite solution is that thermite is Very Bright while it is burning.

Because it is generating such high temperatures and energies, a massive release of light is unavoidable.

The Swiss Cheese metal is produced after the building collapses. To the untrained eye, and without a chemical analysis, it WOULD look like some sort of thermite had done it.

If it were thermite it would have to be set off well before impact or after the building collapses.

Not only is thermite very bright it produces a LOT of smoke. Once the planes tore through the skin of the building any burning thermite would be visible.

The whole building would have filled with smoke if the thermite was set off before the planes hit, this would have been a good thing, since they would be forced to evacuate.

The swiss cheese metal and George W. Bush's paranoia made it look like something like thermite was used.

Too much of Building 7 was destroyed (no evidence retained to be very useful). People setting fires all over the place inside the building could have brought it down. Without evidence a thorough and independent investigation that questions the principles (people involved) on why it may have been (conventionally) sabotaged to fail.

The Building was not a normal building, it was built around a transformer station.

It had some instability that knowledgeable people could have exploited when using fires to collapse the building. I would lean toward people setting fires in the building, but again the thermite would advertise itself.

Your entire theory is a non-sequitor... and lacks evidence. But if you prefer the strangeness scale of your points to be extremely high, well go for it. I'll make for some entertaining reading I suppose.
 
Got it. So what you're saying is that your ideas are nothing and you don't matter.


No. What he's saying is, "I'm making stuff up in an attempt to waste your time and/or sound superior."

I do not answer any questions about myself to any of you!! simple


That's odd. You're willing to tell us things about yourself, but you won't answer questions about yourself. That sounds like a rather convenient excuse for sharing just enough (false?) information to make yourself sound knowledgeable while skirting all attempts to establish real credibility (or lack thereof).

But that's OK. As we like to say around here, it's not who you are that proves your competence, it's what you say. And, quite frankly, your delusional rantings do not convey any sense of knowledge on your part.

I suggest calming down and making some attempt to communicate in an intelligent manner.
 
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the Beauty about someone who understands the we were all lied to about sept 11th is we get to watch people like you skate right around 100% of the time from answering simple questions about things that can be seen with the human eyes.... I see 3 buildings one not hit by a "plane" and since when can a pressurized cabin and wings slice through steel? they can't I work in the avaition industry.....I know weak Al is...so please remove your foot from your mouth and answer a simple question.....what happened to building 7? same thing as wtc 1&2 turned into dust!

No, you don't. Period.
 
I don't know who some of you are....I could care less .........

Its good to know that you do care some amount........

Personally I could not care less whether or not idelogues blinded by their political world view will educate themselves in this matter.
All I care about is that the politically motivated idiocy that persons such as yourself promote does not infect others without challenge..

You will continue in your blindness, its the sight of others which I care about.
 
No, he may well load baggage onto aircraft, drive a fuel truck, or make reservations.

I highly doubt it.

Besides, he meant to imply that he worked in the part of the industry where "he would know" that aluminum can't slice through steel.

I don't believe him for a milli-second. If he had any aviation and/or metalurgic experience, he'd realize just how stupid that thought process is.
 
I work in the avaition industry


Getting high as a kite several times a week doesn't mean you work in the aviation industry...or even the "avaition" industry, for that matter.

the building turned to dust...no? where did all the energy come from to turn the concrete into dust (ya have any idea how hard it is to do that and the amount of energy that would be required to turn it all into dust) maybe you do.....I do...and there wasn't enough energy left (if you believe the official lie) why...because there is energy required to SEVER all the connection points...by the floors "crashing into each other" hey if you want to believe that fine.....but why wait 411 days to start an investigation???? why??? oh so the people who planned it could make sure all the evidence was cleaned up....(yeah maybe the police should wait 411 days to start an investigation into a murder than you would be sure to gather all the important evidence)

I don't know who some of you are....I could care less unless you speak the truth....and the Truth is Not that 19 Arabs led by a man in a cave 6000 miles away demolished 3 WTC buildings.....where is the plane from flight 93? where is the evidence that a place actually flew into the pentagon? give me a break.....oh I bet you and others get paid to keep the lie going....I bet you believe JFK was shot by oswald too huh? Google Operation Northwoods...read it well see what little sneaks our little secret black op's/cia was doing back then......please jet fuel melting WTC....COME ON WHERE ARE THE PICTUERS OF A RAGING FIRE....IF YOU BELIEVE FIRE BROUGHT WTC 7 DOWN YOU ARE HIGH ON CRACK MY FRIENDS.....CAN YOU SAY DEMOLITION...COME ON DEMO LITION....EASY SOUND IT OUT.....


Wow, you have the whole kit! Everything you've written in this thread about 9/11 was debunked years ago. You stumbled across some Truther YouTube video made five years ago and you think you've uncovered the Holy Grail. Then you came bumbling in here all full of sound and fury without taking a breath and first checking to see if the "truths" you spout are actually well, truthful.

Still, you've got to admire the diabolical ingenuity of these conspirators of yours, being able to fool 99.9% of professionals in the fields in question but making their plot laughably obvious to people with essentially no experience (let alone expertise) in the fields in question. The fiends! Wait a minute, let me read those last couple of sentences back...jeez, it sounds sort of stupid now that I see it in black and white. Only in the "not even wrong" Cargo Cult Bizarro world of Trutherdom are experts dismissed as amateurs and amateurs revered as experts.

The only thing you've exposed here is your ignorance and gullibility. Believing everything paranoid conmen tell you isn't any more clever or heroic than believing everything the government tells you. The difference is NO ONE believes everything the government tells them. On behalf of the rest of the human race I am deeply embarrassed for you and your fellow truthers.
 
Why was metallic debris found 8 miles from the
crash site of the plane that went down in Penn? They
said it went straight down and left a small hole in
the ground. If they found metallic debris from the
plane 8 miles away it was either shot down or a bomb
exploded in the plane


Boy is your face going to be red when you finally discover the truth behind that old chestnut. Even most diehard Truthers realize they were really barking up the wrong tree on that one, though they'd rather gnaw off their own arm than admit it. Congrats on resurrecting one of the most laughably epic fails in the entire woeful history of the Truth Movement. Your fellow, marginally more informed Truther colleagues have their faces firmly planted in their palms, silently asking themselves "why did he have to mention the the 8 mile thing?"

I wonder how many months or even years will pass before you with your crackerjack googling skillz discover what I'm referring to.
 
we were all lied to about sept 11th is we get to watch people like you skate right around 100% of the time from answering simple questions about things that can be seen with the human eyes.... I see 3 buildings one not hit by a "plane" and since when can a pressurized cabin and wings slice through steel? they can't I work in the avaition industry.....I know weak Al is...so please remove your foot from your mouth and answer a simple question.....what happened to building 7? same thing as wtc 1&2 turned into dust!

Wings sliced through the steel. The engineers, they work in the knowledge industry. They know how it happened because they can quantify how nature works, unlike those that claim planes should have bounced off the buildings.

"International Journal of Impact Engineering
Volume 28, Issue 6, July 2003, Pages 601-625


How the airplane wing cut through the exterior columns of the World Trade Center

T. Wierzbicki, and X. Teng
Department of Ocean Engineering, Impact & Crashworthiness Laboratory, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Room 5-218 77 Massachusetts Avenue, Cambridge, MA 02139-4307, USA


Received 20 April 2002.
Available online 11 December 2002.

Abstract

The problem of the airplane wing cutting through the exterior columns of the World Trade Center is treated analytically. The exterior columns are thin-walled box beam made of high strength steel. The complex structure of the airplane is lumped into another box, but it has been found that the equivalent thickness of the box is an order of magnitude larger than the column thickness. The problem can be then modeled as an impact of a rigid mass traveling with the velocity of 240 m/s into a hollow box-like vertical member. The deformation and failure process is very local and is broken into three phases: shearing of the impacting flange; tearing of side webs; and tensile fracture of the rear flange. Using the exact dynamic solution in the membrane deformation mode, the critical impact velocity to fracture the impacted flange was calculated to be 155 m/s for both flat and round impacting mass. Therefore, the wing would easily cut through the outer column. It was also found that the energy absorbed by plastic deformation and fracture of the ill-fated column is only 6.7% of the initial kinetic energy of the wing."
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0734743X02001069#sec2.1
 
... where did all the energy come from to turn the concrete into dust (ya have any idea how hard it is to do that and the amount of energy that would be required to turn it all into dust) maybe you do.....I do...and there wasn't enough energy left (if you believe the official lie) why..... ....EASY SOUND IT OUT.....

Remember those shows about law and courts. Recall never ask a question unless you know the answer? You are repeating lies from 911, unabated by the fact these lies are old debunked claptrap.

Where did the energy come from? Asking the this question is a dumb idea since you have clue what the energy came from, and offer no solution, no numbers, nothing. Energy came from E=mgh. m is mass, g is gravity, and h is height. For each WTC tower the energy available during the collapse, as potential energy was released 576,000,000,000 joules, that is equal to the energy of 137 TONS of TNT. Do you think 137 tons of TNT in energy is enough to turn a lot of the WTC wallboard (gypsum board), insulation, and some concrete into dust? Does 137 2,000 pound bombs equal energy ring a bell in your fantasy riddled mind?

Why are you knowledge free in physics? Why are you spreading moronic nonsense?
 
debunked by who???

The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday [September 11]. Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday [September 6], bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed. [NY Newsday]

On the weekend of 9/8, 9/9 there was a 'power down' condition in WTC tower 2, the south tower. This power down condition meant there was no electrical supply for approx 36 hrs from floor 50 up... "Of course without power there were no security cameras, no security locks on doors and many, many 'engineers' coming in and out of the tower." [WingTV]


http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/plans/table.html
 
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