Split Thread Mormons and marriage

Bob Blaylock said:
That's simply nonsense. Marriage is between a man and a woman. There is simply no such thing as any marriage that is not between a man and a woman. Passing a law to define marriage any other way is as meaningless as passing a law that requires two plus two to equal ten.
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Can hermaphrodites marry then?

FYI: You adon't really get to make such declarations by fiat and have them mean anything. Thank goodness for that. But I'm glad you keep spewing this rhetoric. The light of day is the best disenfectant for bigotry. It wasn't that long ago when people, Mormons included, declared that marriage is between a man and a woman of the same race. Mormons fought pretty hard against that one also.

Thank you for your honesty. I say that sincerly.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
That's simply nonsense. Marriage is between a man and a woman. There is simply no such thing as any marriage that is not between a man and a woman. Passing a law to define marriage any other way is as meaningless as passing a law that requires two plus two to equal ten.
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Why can't human social constructs change? I'm pretty sure they have in the past.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
You're looking at it exactly backward. You question whether marriage should be valued, because tragically, our society has a high rate of failed marriages. I say that this high rate of failed marriages—along with the broken homes and all the ills that go therewith—is a result of our society's failure to properly value marriage and family.

The push for “gay marriage” and other abominations, is simply another symptom of exactly the same evil that is at the root of such a high rate of failed families.
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Mormon divorce rate?


Mormon Divorce Statistics comparable to American divorce rate

Barna Research conducted a study of four thousand American adults in 1999. From this survey, it was concluded that 24 percent of Mormon marriages culminate in a divorce. Thus, this number was almost identical to the divorce rate of all Americans.

The authenticity of this number is endorsed by another survey conducted by the National Survey of Families and Households. As per this survey, it was found that in case of both non-Mormons and Mormons, 26 percent of all individuals go through minimum 1 divorce during the lifetime.
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Atheists, Agnostics 21%
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
In Modern Mormonism, this practice is regarded as having been in error; basically part of the “growing pains” of a new church, trying to make sense of its beliefs and what to do about some of them.
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Inspite of the fact that they have a direct link to god. Is the communication hazy? Does god stutter? Are prophets just really stupid?
 
Brian-M said:
I hadn't heard about that before. For some reason that got me thinking about Paint Your Wagon....
Partner: Now, Elizabeth, let's try and be reasonable about this.
Ben: For God's sake, make up your mind!
Elizabeth: l can't. l love both of you.
Partner: But that ain't going to work. You can't have both of us.
Elizabeth: Why not?
Ben: Why not?
Elizabeth: Why not?
Partner: A woman can't have two husbands.
Elizabeth: l was married to a man who had two wives. Why can't a woman have two husbands?
Partner: Because you can't.
Elizabeth: Well, why?
Partner: You explain it to her, Ben.
Ben: l'd like to oblige, Pardner, but l'll be damned if l can think of a reason. Out here we make up our own rules as we go along. A man with two wives wants to sell one at auction, nobody thinks twice. lf a town needs females, hijacking 'em seems the natural thing to do. And if two pardners want to share a wife, why not? This ain't Michigan. lt's gold country. Why, hell, it's the golden country! Untouched and uncontaminated by human hands! People can look civilisation in the eye and spit! You don't have to please anybody, don't have to love thy neighbour. lt's wild, human and free, and all over this nation, they preach against it every Sunday. But l don't think God's listening. You know why? Because he's here, in glorious California!
Partner: You trying to say you're willing?
Ben: l am. l think it's a humane, practical, beautiful solution.
Elizabeth: lt does make a lot of sense.
Partner: lt don't.
Ben: lt don't in Michigan. lt does in California.
Partner: What's everybody gonna say?
Ben: Who are you talking about? You mean everybody in town playing them French horns? They'd be damn glad to have two less in line.
Partner: You're right.
Ben: Of course l'm right. lt's not like somebody was asking you to do something immoral, like stealing gold!
Partner: lt ain't as bad as all that.
Ben: What the hell's bad about it? Show me on that list of commandments where it says a woman can't have two husbands.
Partner: There ain't no commandment like that! Hot damn! l think it's great! lt's history-making!
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I love Paint Your Wagon. So do my parents, devout Mormons.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
We'll probably know for sure only when Jesus returns, and clears up for us what we are still doing wrong. Until then, we imperfect, mortal men will muddle along figuring out what we can from what guidance we've been given.
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Why not have the prophet talk to god? Has something changed while I was away? When I was on my mission I was encouraged to read the monthly Ensign. That way, when I told someone that my church had a prophet who talked to god, I wouldn't look like an idiot when someone asked me, what has this man said recently? A common tactic when I was in the mission field was to ask people, "if there was a prophet of god on Earth would you want to know that?"

I watched the "prophet" Hinkley on 60 minutes. The guy kept saying, "I don't know". You talk to god and you never bothered to ask? Really?
 
tesscaline said:
The statistic thrown out isn't entirely complete, is the problem.

It's not that 50% of all marriages end in divorce. It's that 50% of all FIRST marriages end in divorce. Something like 65% of all second marriages end in divorce, and 75% of all third or more marriages end in divorce.

I've seen links to the stats posted here before, but I don't recall one off the top of my head.
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You then have the confounding factor of age. For example religion can correlate with divorce easily. Young people get married to have sex then can not stand each other in a few years.
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Bob Blaylock said:
That's simply nonsense. Marriage is between a man and a woman. There is simply no such thing as any marriage that is not between a man and a woman. Passing a law to define marriage any other way is as meaningless as passing a law that requires two plus two to equal ten.
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No traditional marriage is between two men. It is the transfer of ownership of a woman from her father to her husband.

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ponderingturtle said:
No traditional marriage is between two men. It is the transfer of ownership of a woman from her father to her husband.
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Yeah, we seriously need to puncture the pompous BS that "marriage" was ever sacred. How sacred is it to murder a bride on her wedding night. No, I'm not making that up. Read Deut. 22:13-21 for the nauseating description.

"Sacred" means subservient and oppressed. It's the impetus for domestic abuse. Ephesians 5:22.

Keep "sacred" out of marriage.
 
Not long after my wife and were married (13 years ago) we talked bout Gay Marriage. We decided that it really didn't matter if two adults were to be married, whether 2 men, two women, or a man and a woman. If they loved each other, and wanted the rights and privileges that come with it, why not? Our marriage wasn't diminished. We didn't love each other any less just because two men wanted to marry each other.

Of course, we also don't have children, and have no plans to have children (And we still have sex! GASP!), so I keep waiting for people like Bob to tell me my marriage is an abomination, because we aren't breeding.

Now, people like Bob want 'Traditional' marriage. Well, if you do, why not an actual return to traditional marriage? It would completely end the issue. Women were the property of their fathers until marriage, whereupon they became the property of their husbands. Two women would thus be unable to be married, since they have no rights, and two men would be unable to be married because a man cannot be owned.

There you have it. A return to traditional marriage, just like the fundies want!

Or, you know, just have the state do simple marriages, or civil ceremonies or whatever, and then the churches can do their holy weddings, and would be free to discriminate all they want. They can crow that those who don't marry in THEIR church aren't truly wedded, but the only legal status would be given by the state. Not the religions.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
That's simply nonsense. Marriage is between a man and a woman. There is simply no such thing as any marriage that is not between a man and a woman. Passing a law to define marriage any other way is as meaningless as passing a law that requires two plus two to equal ten.
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I don't really know what you're trying to accomplish with this rhetoric. Bob has declared (by Royal Proclamation, I'm sure) that marriage is one man and one woman, precisely. However, Bob was so busy trying not to fall off his high horse that he forgot to declare why anyone should give a damn.

I could just as easily declare that marriage is between one man and one woman of the same race, or that it is between one man and precisely seven women (however, the man is optional). So what? Do you think any of this influences anyone?

But this is nothing new. We've been down this road before, and once again you can do no more than whine about what marriage feels like to you, and what the Babby Jesus thinks (PBUH). There are plenty of people willing to engage in an intellectual discussion, here. Feel free to join in any time you're ready.
 
I Am The Scum said:
II could just as easily declare that marriage is between one man and one woman of the same race, or that it is between one man and precisely seven women (however, the man is optional). So what? Do you think any of this influences anyone?
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No.

Gallup: Legal gay marriage now majority opinion

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Bob, wake up and smell the coffee. Social morality isn't what you say it is. It's not what your religion says it is. And don't tell us it's what god says it is because he ain't talking and there is no evidence he ever talked and no evidence he even exists.
 
Shalamar said:
Not long after my wife and were married (13 years ago) we talked bout Gay Marriage. We decided that it really didn't matter if two adults were to be married, whether 2 men, two women, or a man and a woman. If they loved each other, and wanted the rights and privileges that come with it, why not? Our marriage wasn't diminished. We didn't love each other any less just because two men wanted to marry each other.
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Now, that's just crazy-talk.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
Important information is not being withheld for any deceptive purpose. It's being withheld only because more basic learning is needed before one is ready to receive and understand the more advanced knowledge that builds upon it.
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It's only being withheld until the person is sufficiently brainwashed to buy the really bat-crap crazy ****.
 
Personally, I think allowing bigots to marry is an abomination. Any way we can make that illegal?
 
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