Split Thread Mormons and marriage

MatildaGage said:
So in your personal opinion, did God deliberately design the birth rate disparity, or was it a mistake or oversight?
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"Unfortunately, one gender has a slight lead over the other in birth rates. "
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Like 100% to 0.
That's not a 'slight lead'...:rolleyes:
 
Furcifer said:
Seems like a good way of dealing with that male/female disparity. Obviously we need more lesbians :D
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Even with in-vitro fertilization, them womens is gonna a whole herd more babies than any man ever!
 
What happens to the men who can't marry because other men have married the requisite multiple wives?
 
RandFan said:
Ad hominem.
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Only as much as someone quoting Osama Bin Laden and the response "he's a terrorist" is an ad hominem.

In my experience, someone who quotes from "Lighthouse Ministry" or "Saints Alive in Jesus" in spite of their blatant not-even-remotely-hidden agendas (or just as often because of them) has an axe to grind and won't tolerate any result other than that axe being deeply embedded in their target.

I'm not interested in playing their games.
 
RandFan said:
Mormonism has a doctrine of "Milk before meat", which is to say, "not the whole truth" until a person is ready. Would you want important information withheld from you until after you joined an organization?
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I don't know why you imagine that this is any kind of useful criticism. There is a lot to learn, and nobody can learn it all at once.

When we send young children to school, we don't expect that in Kindergarden, they will learn calculus and advanced physics and the works of Shakespeare. They aren't ready for it yet. We teach them the basics first, what they are ready to learn, and what they need to learn in order to more easily receive greater knowledge as they get older. We teach them to read, and we teach them to do basic math. Once they have mastered that, they are in a position to be able to learn more advanced things, that build upon these basics. And the more advanced things that they then learn form the foundation on which they can learn even more advanced stuff than this.

When they are adults, they will need to know how to manage their finances, and fill out job applications, and all sorts of things like that. But we cannot teach them these things until they have learned more basic things that underly them.

Important information is not being withheld for any deceptive purpose. It's being withheld only because more basic learning is needed before one is ready to receive and understand the more advanced knowledge that builds upon it.
 
MatildaGage said:
So in your personal opinion, did God deliberately design the birth rate disparity, or was it a mistake or oversight?
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In my opinion, I don't know if he designed it that way, or allowed it to occur as a natural variation in the system he created. Maybe having the birth rates match up exactly in a universe whose physical laws hold that no system can be 100% efficient might have been too much of a tip off?

I don't believe God wants his existence conclusively proven either. But that's a whole other issue.
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
Marriage is mentioned enough in the Bible to give a very clear idea of what it is, and what its basic purpose is. “Gay marriage” doesn't fit the meaning or purpose of marriage, as given in the Bible. It doesn't even come anywhere close to doing so.
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Doesn't address the many questions your claims raise.

Further, every where that homosexuality is mentioned in the Bible, it is very harshly condemned as evil, in the same class as bestiality and adultery.
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Eatiang shellfish is an abomination. Wearing clothing of different fabrics is condemned.

There is no reason to expect that “gay marriage” would have been mentioned in the Bible. It's a combination of two concepts that simply do not go together.
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Thankfully we don't have to live by ancient beliefs. The Bible says to kill adulterers. The Bible says to kill women who are not virgins on their wedding night. Isn't it good we don't have to follow ignorant traditoin?
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
Only as much as someone quoting Osama Bin Laden and the response "he's a terrorist" is an ad hominem.
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Evasion noted. Yes, that WOULD be an ad hominem. Mormon arguments should be judged on their own merits and not on the belief by many that Mormons and/or not Christian and or that they are a cult.
You have now defended one fallacy with another. Will you answer my questions?

In my experience, someone who quotes from "Lighthouse Ministry" or "Saints Alive in Jesus" in spite of their blatant not-even-remotely-hidden agendas (or just as often because of them) has an axe to grind and won't tolerate any result other than that axe being deeply embedded in their target.
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Ad hominem BTW: Many Christians say the same of Mormons. Their ad hominem is no more valid than yours. Do you deny "milk before meat" policy? Will you answer my questions?

I'm not interested in playing their games.
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Christians are not interested in Mormon games. That gets us nowhere. Are you intersted in the truth? Will you answer my questions?

  1. Are the quotes in my previous post above correct?
  2. Is polygamy still part of Mormon theology (even if it is not practiced)?
  3. Are acts of duplicity, deception and evasion intellectually honest?
  4. Why use logic and reason if you only use it selectively?
  5. Who is the father of ALL lies?
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
I don't know why you imagine that this is any kind of useful criticism. There is a lot to learn, and nobody can learn it all at once.
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Because it is deliberat obfuscation

When we send young children to school, we don't expect that in Kindergarden, they will learn calculus and advanced physics and the works of Shakespeare.
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Patronizing.

They aren't ready for it yet. We teach them the basics first, what they are ready to learn, and what they need to learn in order to more easily receive greater knowledge as they get older. We teach them to read, and we teach them to do basic math. Once they have mastered that, they are in a position to be able to learn more advanced things, that build upon these basics. And the more advanced things that they then learn form the foundation on which they can learn even more advanced stuff than this.
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What is so complicated about "you can become a god"? Why not tell women that in the after life their hubands will have multiple wives?

When they are adults, they will need to know how to manage their finances, and fill out job applications, and all sorts of things like that. But we cannot teach them these things until they have learned more basic things that underly them.

Important information is not being withheld for any deceptive purpose. It's being withheld only because more basic learning is needed before one is ready to receive and understand the more advanced knowledge that builds upon it.
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Yes it is. The heavy requirements and expectations of 10% of sallary and the rituals in the temple are all things that many who have left the church have said they would have prefferd to know up front.

What about the other stuff? Whitewashed history? Removal of blood oaths from the temple ceremony? Josepha many wives? Blood doctrine? Adam god? Men living on the moon?
 
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Furcifer said:
Er, I assumed it was the ratio in the birth rate. That's gonna make things complicated.
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I'm kinda pretty sure the birth rate by males is and has been zero.
Women got all the plumbing for kids.
 
kerikiwi said:
What happens to the men who can't marry because other men have married the requisite multiple wives?
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They become broken and frustrated. You have a bunch of angry young, poor men. This leads to violence and suicide bombers right quick. Even in a free society, women will tend to elect to be the fifth wife of the powerful, rich, older guy before the first wife of a younger, poorer man. Then, even the women who elect to marry a young, poor man are going to tend to go for the hot ones. Think you're upset know where the top 10% have 90% of the money? Wait for them to have 90% of the women too.

So you have a bunch of average or ugly poor guys who can't get laid, are desperate for money, and angry/frustrated beyond belief. You all become me. Poor fools. :p
 
Bob Blaylock said:
Marriage is mentioned enough in the Bible to give a very clear idea of what it is, and what its basic purpose is. “Gay marriage” doesn't fit the meaning or purpose of marriage, as given in the Bible. It doesn't even come anywhere close to doing so.

Further, every where that homosexuality is mentioned in the Bible, it is very harshly condemned as evil, in the same class as bestiality and adultery.

There is no reason to expect that “gay marriage” would have been mentioned in the Bible. It's a combination of two concepts that simply do not go together.
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So when are we going to get real marriage back? Women's rights has eviscerated biblical marriage. If this did not happen we couldn't have gay marriage as an issue now, but women decided that they should be equal and started this whole issue.
 
RandFan said:
Ad hominem BTW: Many Christians say the same of Mormons.
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Did you not notice the crucifixes (Mormons do not venerate the cross as our fellow Christians do) all over that site?

Would you consider a site that bashes Fords as credible if all its bullet points were indicated by Chevy logos?
 
BTW, RF: I answered one of your five questions. It was the one that I felt I knew the most about and could give the most accurate answer.

This appears to have made you more angry than if I had answered zero questions. A mistake I won't repeat in the future.
 
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