Your claim is that 100% of Amways sold product goes to consumers. IF that were true, then there wouldn't be any failed Amway reps, because they'd have sales.
Sorry, but there's no logic at all to that claim. Jut one example -
I register with Amway to make a little extra cash through retail sales. I try but discover I'm no good at sales and aren't willing to learn. I've "failed". I return the products I don't want myself to Amway and get a refund. A few I keep because I want them and consume them myself. Amway's returned products are sold to someone who registered just to buy the products at a discount. I've "failed", all of the products have been sold to consumers.
That many Amway reps cannot make sales is a documented fact.
Please provide said documentation. Note that you said
cannot, which is different to
are not
Therefore the product they bought did not get sold to a consumer.
non sequitur
And there's still that pesky issue of you deliberately changing the definition of "consumer" to include wholesalers.
No, I've done no such thing. By definition if someone is a wholesaler, then they're on-selling the product, not consuming it. I'm defining someone who consumes a product as a consumer.
They're NOT consuming (actually using the product). They're wholesalers selling it downline.
Yes, that happens too of course. But what about when they consumer it themselves instead? They're a consumer.
Yes I have. Been a few years, but I have. I've also been leafletted and or had business cards left on my car for Amway reps.
First time I have
ever heard of anyone doing this. Who in their right mind would think that would work? I know some other companies work with a similar technique, but it's first to find people interested in starting a business/earning money, not what you claim.
Amway tries to get everyone who "walks through the door" to become a retailer of Amway, which, again, is NOT what P&G, Coke, or any other legitimate non-pyramidal company does.
Not what Amway does either, except in your vivid imagination. Even if it was, so what?
That doesn't make P&G a MLM. It makes them a manufacturer whose product is being bought by a MLM.
MLM is a marketing strategy, not a "thing" you can be. I notice you completely ignored Unilever.
Only by using your twisted definition of consumer to include downliners.
Oh yes, terribly twisted of me to consider someone who consumers something as a consumer. How could I be so ridiculous?
Let me make it abundantly clear, sparky. If you are an Amway rep and buy something to re-sell, you are NOT a "consumer" of that unit. If you buy a unit of Amway, take it home, open it up and personally use the product you are a consumer of that unit only.
So we agree, where's the problem?
You've already stipulated that the popular and successful way to be an Amway rep is NOT retail sales to consumers, but in setting up a daisy chain of rubes...excuse me..."associates/team members/etc"...and selling to THEM.
I don't think I quite said that, but (a) you're not doing any "daisy chain", what the person you sell it to does with it is their decision, not yours (2) same as other distribution networks - manufacturer-wholesaler-wholesaler....retailer-consumer. A "chain", which as show in FTC vs Amway is very similar in length in both Amway and traditional distribution. Eventually the product finds it's way to a consumer. In the case of Amway if it doesn't then it can be returned to Amway and all financial transactions are rolled back. In the case of traditional distribution it sits gathering dust in a warehouse or store until it's thrown out.
The point is that does not make Wal Mart as "franchiser", shilling for new "reps" to set up their own stores. And that does not show that Amway is just like Wal Mart.
No, as already pointed out, Wal-mart is a retailer, Amway is a manufacturer. Just because Wal-mart doesn't offer franchises doesn't mean lots of other retailers don't.
Manufacturers don't push their customers to become manufacturers. Amway reps push their customers to become Amway reps themselves.
Not even remotely equivalent. Wholesalers most certainly "push" their downline distributors to generate more volumes, and if one of the eventual end users of the products wants to sell them as well they wouldn't stop them.
That's the difference. You are the only one here who doesn't seem to grasp that fact.
The "fact" that manufacturers don't push their customers to be manufacturers has never been denied by me
When a legitimate company trains personnel, THEY pay for the training. They do this because trained personnel make more sales, and more profit.
Yup, just like Amway does.
When a MLM scam "trains" people, the people pay the MLM for the training. The company makes money off of selling training materials, not the sales of the people trained.
(a) people don't pay Amway for training
(b) Amway makes no money selling taining material
Any company using MLM ostensibly to sell a product, but really making most of their money from selling "support materials" is most likely a pyramid and, like Burn Lounge recently, will get shutdown or forced to change.
Nice to see you admit it. Now for you to admit that you're wrong about MLM and Amway...
The problem seems to be you don't actually know how MLM and Amway works. It's a classic case of assuming Amway/MLMs are pyramids and then assigning the very real flaws of pyramids to Amway/MLMs. The problem is in your initial assumption
