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A comparison of Jesus and Muhammad

Given last week's events in Norway, I think this is in terribly bad taste, DOC.
After all, the perp justified his actions by direct quotes from one of the two figures you mentioned.


Actually his actions were the direct result of his LOVE for Jesus and HATE for Islam.

Go figure.....his hate for Islam and Love for Jesus compelled him to kill CHRISTIAN CHILDREN......but after all logic has never been a trait of fundamentalists and believers in MONSTERS in the sky.
 
One more difference: Muhammad seems to be historical. At least there are some independent sources that seem to indicate that he existed.

Hans
Exactly. One is almost certainly a real person, one quite possibly a myth.
 
Lets compare Jesus and the Flying Spaghetti Monster:

Jesus died on a cross to save mankind
FSM died in a pot of boiling water to feed mankind

Jesus has WWJD tee shirts for sale
FSM has WWFSMD tee shirts for sale

Jesus is part of a trinity -Father-Jesus-Holy Ghost
FSM is part of a trinity - Macaroni-Spagetti-lasagna noodles


There is no comparison between Jesus and FSM. Jesus falls so far short that he cannot be held on any level remotely close to FSM. Jesus is clearly inferior to FSM.

Not to forget: Mode of motion!
Jesus walked (on ground or water)
FSM flies!
How cool is that!?
 
probably not what you are thinking, but the site claims that Mohammed died and was never resurrected.

My understanding (limited as it is) of Islamic theology is that according to the Koran Mohammed never died, but ascended directly to heaven, which to me is just as miraculous as being resurrected.

His body is in a tomb in Medina. Or at least they built a tomb in Medina for his body, and a huge mosque around it. In fact, the original (much smaller) mosque was built next to his house by Mohammed himself (he was the
sponsor, and allegedly helped with the actual handiwork). When he died in his house in Medina, they buried him next door. That mosque in Medina is the second holiest site of Islam im part because of the fact it houses his bodily remains.

So that story of Mohammeds ascension is an obvious myth that not even devout muslims take as literal.
 
Muhammad had a human father. I still didn't figure out how Jesus was produced. Help me. :jaw-dropp

Technically the same way many virgin impregnation happens nowaday with teenies : they think that if there is no penetration, the sperm can't get in. Well the thing is, if the ejaculate splash on the vaginal openning, even with virginity / intact hymen , some spermatozoid can climb up the canal and reach the fallope trump. PAM ! pregnancy. Happens enough nowadays.

Most probably , if they existed and it happenned as a virgin pregnancy, mary was just fooling around with job, maybe some kinky anal sex or jsut rubbing it against the openning, and the rest you can imagine. Then since she is a virgin, it can only be "gods" which impregnated her.
 
The resurrection is an historical event?
Could you quote your sources for that, DOC?

And about that occupied brutal Roman Empire, you'll forgive if I post this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso

I also darkly remember that when the population had enough christian, they rioted, destroyed other temple, burned non christian scripture, and were generally quite brutal in the execution of non christian.
 
Muhammad had a human father. I still didn't figure out how Jesus was produced. Help me. :jaw-dropp

I read somewhere* that Mary was raped by a Roman soldier.


*this is the highest possible authority in fundieworld.
 
Jesus wrote nothing and we have nothing written by him.
However, we do possess writings of Muhammed. I had seen them myself.

Really?
Please cite this evidence.

K.

ABE:
Ah, what you actually "saw" was an unknown TV show in which some unknown religious person made some claims about unknown documents. Got it.
 
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Why not compare Jesus with....err... Jesus?

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Why, Indeed.

Here is a website that offers a comparison of the two historical figures.

The Muslims believe that God never made a divine Son, nor would He. The believe that Christians are polytheists, I guess. What's interesting is that they call Jesus a Prophet, but they don't believe what He says... and they don't follow Him, so they don't love Him... so how can they believe He is a Prophet?
 
The Muslims believe that God never made a divine Son, nor would He. The believe that Christians are polytheists, I guess. What's interesting is that they call Jesus a Prophet, but they don't believe what He says... and they don't follow Him, so they don't love Him... so how can they believe He is a Prophet?

They argue that what YOU say he says is all FORGED and is not what he said. They argue that as a prophet of YHWH (a.k.a. Allah) he could have NEVER said that he was the son of god except in the sense that all humans are children of god.

They argue, just like the EBIONITES and other sects of christians long before them did, that Jesus was a prophet like Moses et al and that his message was DISTORTED by the Catholic and Orthodox churches..... which by the way should not be so strange to many christians since some protestant churches think that the Catholic church is the DEVIL'S work.

Orthodox and Catholic churches fought and HATED and KILLED and MASSACRED each other as well as other christian sects...... so did they HATE JESUS? where they not true Jesus followers?

See this book

But here is another thought for you to consider.........

Jews do not believe in Jesus....they think christianity is a BLASPHEMY against god.....they think Jesus was an imposter (read John 8:33-59 especially 59).

So why is it that Christians INSIST on USURPING the Jewish religion and adding it to theirs? Why is it that Christians INSIST on claiming that YHWH has a son even though according to the Jewish religion that can NEVER happen?

Could it be that the Christians use a similar argument to what the moslims use..... "The Jews have falsified their religion"?

In fact that is EXACTLY what christians do when they use OT verses to prove their NT rubbish.....they are saying that the Rabbis and Jewish thinkers were MISTAKEN or STUPID to not see that YHWH had a son even before Adam was made and that in fact GOD is THREE GODS in one and that the Jews have forfeited their right to YHWH and it is now the christians who know him better.....the new covenant and all according to Paul.

So the very same mindset of "we know better" is also the driving force behind the Moslims incorporating Jesus as a prophet in their religion....they say to themselves...just as christians do...."we know better".
 
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Few if any religions have their main essence based on a single historical event as Christianity does.

The apostle Paul said if Jesus was not raised our faith is in vain. The single historical event of the Resurrection is the main essence of Christianity. I know of no other religion that places so much emphasis on a single historical event. Thus the fact that Christianity is so prevalent in the world can be some evidence for the truth of the Resurrection. It doesn't make sense for the Church to grow so fast in the occupied brutal Roman empire without a Resurrection, it just doesn't make sense.

Well, I can think of a couple of religions that are based one what a single person did. The Buddahist religion (as founded by Buddah) and Muslim relgion (as founded by Mohammed) come to mind.

But in any event, one cannot use popular opinion to determine what is factual. Instead, facts are based on objective evidence that can be properly evaluated.

Therefore one cannot definitely say that Christ was brought back from the dead just because there are many millions of Christians. In fact, I doubt that most Christians actually believe that Christ came back from the dead, brought dead people back to life, talked with the ghost of Moses, and so on (all of preeceding are listed in that book called the Bible that you place so much faith in).

Accordingly, even by your own standards of evidence, your proof for the Jesus coming back from the dead is rather weak evidence indeed.
 
Jesus was a passifist and, like Ghandi and MLK, that got him killed.

Mo was a kick butt warrior and let lots of military campaigns.
 
Jesus was a passifist and, like Ghandi and MLK, that got him killed.

Mo was a kick butt warrior and let lots of military campaigns.

So in other words, Jesus failed miserably to do anything of significance, he got caught and paid the price.

Muhamad managed to make an army and almost took over the world and we have actual evidence of his existence.

Salam Alaikum
 
Jesus was a passifist and, like Ghandi and MLK, that got him killed.

Mo was a kick butt warrior and let lots of military campaigns.

I quite agree…. Jesus was a pacifist….he says many times to turn the other cheek and

Matthew 11:28-30
Come unto me, all [ye] that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke [is] easy, and my burden is light.​


And you are right Mohammad was a warring brigand.


Judging by your stance and others like Virus and other fundamentalist Christians in the USA…..who do you judge to be more in keeping with YOUR IDEOLOGY? It sounds to me you may be more deserving of a warmongering prophet as your god better than a meek cheek turning COWARD….. loving thy neighbor and turning the other cheek are obviously not quite Voguish these days for American Christian Fundamentalists. See post 251.


Yes….. I said COWARD…… look at how he OBEYED MEEKLY when a Roman Centurion asks him to heal his slave (Matthew 8:5-13)…. He says: “YES SIR, I will rush to your house to heal him right away”. But the centurion was obviously quite a bit more acquainted with godly abilities than Jesus. He informed Jesus that as a god he can just heal by willing it and from far away. A god does not need to go to the house to heal the slave of the Roman centurion with such obedience. But apparently Jesus was not yet versed with godly omnipotence….he did not know that he could heal by willing it. He thought he had to go and maybe mix some spittle with mud (John 9:6) or maybe spray some holy water or say some magic words (Mark 5:41) or some other such CONJURING. Thanks to the centurion he LEARNT that yes…as a god…he can heal at long distance by just thinking about it.

And why do I say COWARD?

Because when the Canaanite woman asked him to heal her daughter (Matt 15:21-28) HE REFUSED to even talk to her. When he finally CONDESCENDED to talk to her he HUMILIATED her and called her a GENTILE DOG and made her GROVEL before he DEIGNED to grant her some CRUMBS from the table of the MASTERS as the dog she was.

He was a COWARD….he treated a superior force with meekly obeisance and the feeble with disdainful reluctance.


Matthew 8:5-13
And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him, and saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented. And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him. The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed. For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this [man,] Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth [it. ] When Jesus heard [it,] he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel. And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour.​

John 9:6-7
When he had thus spoken, he spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and he anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay, And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, (which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.​

Mark 15:41
And he took the damsel by the hand, and said unto her, Talitha cumi; which is, being interpreted, Damsel, I say unto thee, arise.​

Matthew 15:21-28
Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon. And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, [thou] Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast [it] to dogs. And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table. Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great [is] thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.​
 
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