Why not war against Islam?

[caniswalensis]

Oh, you can keep a few around for harvesting sperm.

But really, if some people are advocating war against 1/5th of the population, why not advocate war against 1/2th the population and really solve the problem?

Our Norwegian terrorist wasn't a Muslim.

But he was a man.

Let's really get serious against violence and go after the root of the problem.

But if all the men were gone, who would run things, and kill big, scary insects for the ladies?

*runs away very quicky*

 

[Leumas]

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Even to other Muslims. Most often, to other Muslims.

As a matter of fact if you consider the number of moslims that fundamentalist moslims have harmed in comparison to the non-moslims you might draw the conclusion that they are waging war against moderate islamists as opposed to non-islamists.

That is not considering also the educational and economical RETARDATION they are causing to the populations of moslims.

In a way if an enemy of moslims were to plan an INSIDIOUS and irrevocable CANCER to eat away and destroy moslems from within, they could have not done any better than to empower, arm and fund the islamic fundamentalist movements all over the moslim countries. And with the pretext of curing the cancerous tumors they can then be justified in irradiating the entire body. But beware of the cancer mutating into a contagious virus.

 

[Leumas]

The Christians removed the Moors from Iberia. They also removed the Ottomans from Europe. There was no need to conquer Lebanon, Palestine, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Jordan, Iraq, and Arabia.

Perhaps the Brits & French felt the need to relive the Crusades..and then some?

Christianity in Europe was a lot more of an impetuous behind European leaders’ action than you might imagine. Even in the 1900s. In Victorian era there were numerous treatises that attempted to prove that European Ruling families were descendents of some Israelite lost tribe or another.

The reason…..because how could have god promised Abraham to have his seed more numerous than the sand on the beach and to be rulers over humanity forever and yet that is obviously not the case.

Solution…. Descendents of Jacob ARE numerous and ruling over the earth…..they are the Ruling families of the World Imperial powers.

So the mindset that can drive someone to think that way obviously would also drive them to “liberate” countries like Syria etc. since these were the ORIGINAL bastions of Christianity (e.g. Antioch, Alexandria, Constantinople [= Istanbul]).

 

[Leumas]

Long Live Cognitive Dissonance

The Ottoman Empire joined Germany and went to war with Britain and France.

Funny how Turkish imperialism and occupation for 600 years is completely blameless for their situation but four decades of benign rule by the British and French is responsible for all their problems.

Funny how Cognitive Dissonance enables one to come out with words to reinforce and justify one’s bias.

Turks were imperialist…..but the British and French were benignly ruling.

The French when they mowed down Algerian citizens were fighting an insurgent evil lot. The Algerians who suicide bombed French civilians were vile Terrorists.

The pilot who drops a bomb is a hero while the insurgent who lets off an improvised bomb is a criminal monster.

Britain ruled a quarter of the globe for 200 years. So not impossible. Except for the converting people part, which would be counter-productive.

It is not of course surprising to see a fundamentalist adherent of the supposed religion of love and peace advocating CRUSADES and GLOBAL CONQUEST....


A moslim fundamentalist who wants to kill people is a vile horror …..but a Christian fundamentalist who wants to conquer and annihilate entire countries is just fighting evil in the name of Jesus.:


Long live Cognitive Dissonance

 

[tsig]

Plenty of people who are pretty sure that they're "true Muslims" commit violence (not limited to just al-Qaeda, either). Plenty of people who are pretty sure that they're "true Muslims" would never do such a thing (I should know, I'm related by blood to some of them).

When you decide you're going to attack "Islam", who are you attacking?

I find this knee jerk reaction defending Islam rather odd. No matter what a Muslim does we can write it off because Islam hasn't 'matured' as much as Christianity. What's the rest of the world supposed to do while we wait for Islam to grow up.

 

[A'isha]

I find this knee jerk reaction defending Islam rather odd. No matter what a Muslim does we can write it off because Islam hasn't 'matured' as much as Christianity. What's the rest of the world supposed to do while we wait for Islam to grow up.

You do realize that there are more options than "doing nothing" and "wiping out 'Islam' itself", right?

Because I'm all for doing things like going after al-Qaeda or working to ensure that Islamist groups like the Muslim Brotherhood don't take control of Egypt.

But I'm a wee bit less enthusiastic about doing things like "declaring war" on my cousins and other Muslims like them, just because they, like the groups above, think of themselves as Muslims.

 

[citizenzen]

Funny how Cognitive Dissonance enables one to come out with words to reinforce and justify one’s bias.

It's an age-old human trait.

Kudos for you for trying to get people to reach beyond it.

 

[citizenzen]

What's the rest of the world supposed to do while we wait for Islam to grow up.

Act with wisdom and compassion.

We keep trying change people through violence and domination.

I think it's time to try an alternative method.

 

[Toontown]

Oh no. Now they've started congratulating each other.

 

[A'isha]

Oh no. Now they've started congratulating each other.

Would you like to address what I said in post 222, Toontown? Or are you satisfied with your "Hah, hah, look at those liberal dupes who have actually studied what Muslims themselves say and believe regarding their religion, rather than simply reading what crackpot Islamophobes like Robert Spencer write on the Internet!" stance?

 

[citizenzen]

Oh no. Now they've started congratulating each other.

What side doesn't congratulate when hearing an opinion they agree with?

 

[Leumas]

What's the rest of the world supposed to do while we wait for Islam to grow up.

Stop selling armaments, weapons and instruments of destruction and empowering despots.

If we stop arming and training the S.O.B.s then maybe the good guys might have some chance......ah and bombing the excrement out of an entire country in the name of “liberating” them from a despot we installed is not an option.


Unfortunately this is not going to happen....because it is not in line with "FREE" TRADE.

Here is another solution that also will not work....because it is not in line with free trading either.........

ENFRANCHISE the disenfranchised.......

People who are not desperate and are not humiliated and are invested in the world and have a possibility of a dignified future will not tend to want to start wars or to support radicals who want to end the world.

 

[Toontown]

Would you like to address what I said in post 222, Toontown? Or are you satisfied with your "Hah, hah, look at those liberal dupes who have actually studied what Muslims themselves say and believe regarding their religion, rather than simply reading what crackpot Islamophobes like Robert Spencer write on the Internet!" stance?

The first choice you offer makes presumptuous demands on my time, so I'll just be satisfied with the "Hah, hah, look at those liberal dupes who have actually studied what Muslims themselves say and believe regarding their religion, rather than simply reading what crackpot Islamophobes like Robert Spencer write on the Internet!" stance you've assigned me.

If I had a third choice, I'd just stick to making fun of the guy who lauded the guy who is still whining about the crusades, who apparently made a great contribution to mankind by accusing someone of cognitive dissonance.

 

[tsig]

Would you like to address what I said in post 222, Toontown? Or are you satisfied with your "Hah, hah, look at those liberal dupes who have actually studied what Muslims themselves say and believe regarding their religion, rather than simply reading what crackpot Islamophobes like Robert Spencer write on the Internet!" stance?

Didn't take you long to start throwing garbage.


Islam can't be criticized because of what it's followers do, it can't be criticized because of what it's book says nor how it's prophet acted so how is it to be criticized?

 

[Virus]

Stop selling armaments, weapons and instruments of destruction and empowering despots.

If we stop arming and training the S.O.B.s then maybe the good guys might have some chance......ah and bombing the excrement out of an entire country in the name of “liberating” them from a despot we installed is not an option.

We also just overthrew Saddam Hussein and the Taliban and we're trying to help the Libyans overthrow Gaddafi. We also don't sell arms to Syria, Iran or Libya and they're perfectly capable of repression.

Unfortunately this is not going to happen....because it is not in line with "FREE" TRADE.

Here is another solution that also will not work....because it is not in line with free trading either.........

What are you driveling about? You do realize there are no alternatives to the globalized economy? I guess you don't.

ENFRANCHISE the disenfranchised.......

Like overthrowing Saddam and replacing it with consensual government? You don't like overthrowing fascist regimes remember?

People who are not desperate and are not humiliated and are invested in the world and have a possibility of a dignified future will not tend to want to start wars or to support radicals who want to end the world.

9/11 hijackers were desperate? Bin Laden was desperate?

 

[bikerdruid]

We also just overthrew Saddam Hussein and the Taliban and we're trying to help the Libyans overthrow Gaddafi. We also don't sell arms to Syria, Iran or Libya and they're perfectly capable of repression.

what's with this 'we' stuff, virus.
you have not been involved with any of it.
you have sat at home, in a comfy life and have no right top take credit for, or be blamed for any of that.
meanwhile, real kids have come home to their parents in real boxes.
so you just sit there at your keyboard and take credit for all the stuff they did.

 

[Virus]

what's with this 'we' stuff, virus.

Leumus said it.

 

[Virus]

Funny how Cognitive Dissonance enables one to come out with words to reinforce and justify one’s bias.

Turks were imperialist…..but the British and French were benignly ruling.

The French when they mowed down Algerian citizens were fighting an insurgent evil lot. The Algerians who suicide bombed French civilians were vile Terrorists.

The pilot who drops a bomb is a hero while the insurgent who lets off an improvised bomb is a criminal monster.







It is not of course surprising to see a fundamentalist adherent of the supposed religion of love and peace advocating CRUSADES and GLOBAL CONQUEST....


A moslim fundamentalist who wants to kill people is a vile horror …..but a Christian fundamentalist who wants to conquer and annihilate entire countries is just fighting evil in the name of Jesus.:


Long live Cognitive Dissonance

I never said any of that stuff you accuse me of. You need to chill out.

 

[DC]

Didn't take you long to start throwing garbage.


Islam can't be criticized because of what it's followers do, it can't be criticized because of what it's book says nor how it's prophet acted so how is it to be criticized?

who said that?

i guess in your book only the total destruction of Islam can be seen as a critique of Islam.

 

[armageddonman]

Holy crap. How diffcult is it to make a simple point understandable?

Let's try that again:

If you follow an ideology which promotes violent conquest of others (among other violent things), would you not expect to be watched with suspicion by others even if you yourself are not participating in any violence?

Clear enough?