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The presence of molten steel, or lack thereof means nothing. Nothing at all. What's that called? A red herring?

It's meaningless. If there were molten steel there, it would prove nothing. If there weren't molten steel there, it would prove nothing.

Get a new hobby tmd - you're TERRIBLE at this one.
 
Mr. Skinny said:
Actually your qualifications are of some concern, since you seem ready to offer your opinions on aeronautics, physics, engineering, chemistry, etc.

Even if you are quoting others, it would be nice to know what filters you are using (e.g. your personal education/experience) to determine what you think is good information, what is not, and why that information is relevant.

There is a thread here where many debunkers list their experience/education (maybe someone can link to it). I'm certainly not ashamed of mine, and I think it goes to the credibility (or lack thereof) of the things I say.

Just my opinion though. Your mileage may vary, as they say.

Would you like me to go through your posts and find a statement that you clarified with a subsequent sentence that clarified it, and then only focus on the first statement, ignoring the clarification?
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I don't want to give my qualifications not because I am ashamed of them..far...very far from it...I would like to not give any information for people to try and find out who I am.

As to what you said....there were no subsequent statements, at best he was saying...no one said they saw it or produced it....clearly the saw is a lie. A bold faced lie. I can think of only two mistakes I made well really one...I came on to strong with saying 767 could be modified...I was really saying the blueprints were pretty much there. The other saying that there had not been a single arrest as it related to 9/11 on U.S soil. Someone pointed out moussaoui...I corrected myself saying the vast majority of arrests were not on U.S soil, but the essence of my point remains largely intact. that is you have a crime the magnitude of 9/11 and almost no one is arrested in the country it took place in....seems odd to me.
 
WildCat said:
I'm sorry, but when you link to that clueless idiot Rob Balsamo's site you get the laughing dog.
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I agree. PFT and the CIT web sites a chock-full-o-nuts. The second I see a link to their web sites, I just sigh and move one without bothering to click the link.

Anyone hoping to research 9/11 is wasting their time there.
 
tmd2_1 said:
As I said I don't want to address...what was or was not found at this time. I have done that already, as I have done this already. If you think Gross lying is an unimportant detail I don't know what to tell you. He could have said yes I know there were witnesses, but what they actually saw was ..... he chose to avoid the matter altogether...I wonder why?
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Typical truther behaviour,avoiding questions. No wonder that you lot are a laughing stock. Will you still be doing this in ten years time?
 
Mr. Skinny said:
I agree. PFT and the CIT web sites a chock-full-o-nuts. The second I see a link to their web sites, I just sigh and move one without bothering to click the link.

Anyone hoping to research 9/11 is wasting their time there.
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regardless of what you think of those sites I posted there just to show a picture...and the picture is real....what's in that picture, coupled with the video is what I think is important. Not the site it's from.
 
dafydd said:
Typical truther behaviour,avoiding questions. No wonder that you lot are a laughing stock. Will you still be doing this in ten years time?
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I've already done it numerous times..read through the whole thread.
 
tmd2_1 said:
Not on any ignore list...I ignore no one...a cheerleader list...you know...simply just jeer those who disagree with your dogma...and cheer those who agree with it...but never seem to offer anything of any value at all.
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I know what happened on 911,I saw it on TV. I have nothing to offer,you start with your conclusion and dynamite wouldn't get your obsession out of your head. I leave it to the real engineers and aviators to explain your mistakes to you. I can understand them,why can't you?
 
tmd2_1 said:
regardless of what you think of those sites I posted there just to show a picture...and the picture is real....what's in that picture, coupled with the video is what I think is important. Not the site it's from.
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But, how does it show the actual time the picture was taken, thus making the point made. You are relying on CIT or someone with provable honesty issues.
 
tmd2_1 said:
I don't want to give my qualifications not because I am ashamed of them..far...very far from it...I would like to not give any information for people to try and find out who I am.
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Fair enough, but I've stated in the thread that I mentioned that I have a bachelors degree in engineering. I've taken classes in Statics, Dynamics, Strength of Materials, Thermodynamics, Differential Equations, etc.

I've listed my experience as a Fire Protection engineer, a Boiler and Pressure Vessel Inspector, an ESOH manager at a foundry, and as a Safety Engineer at a DoD research laboratory.

I suppose anyone could find out my name if they really wanted to, but I'm not ashamed of anything I've posted on this forum.

I was also a volunteer cop and have a .357 magnum in my nightstand. I really have no reason to be afraid if someone should find out my identity. In fact, many on this forum already know my real name. No one has come to get me.

But I get your point. Anonymity on the internet can be a good thing. Keeps the real loonies from hassling you.

Don't understand how stating your education and experience would help people find you, but I respect your decision to not reveal it.

As to what you said....there were no subsequent statements, at best he was saying...no one said they saw it or produced it....clearly the saw is a lie. A bold faced lie. I can think of only two mistakes I made well really one...I came on to strong with saying 767 could be modified...I was really saying the blueprints were pretty much there. The other saying that there had not been a single arrest as it related to 9/11 on U.S soil. Someone pointed out moussaoui...I corrected myself saying the vast majority of arrests were not on U.S soil, but the essence of my point remains largely intact. that is you have a crime the magnitude of 9/11 and almost no one is arrested in the country it took place in....seems odd to me.
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I'll get nowhere with you persuing this I see, so I'll quit trying. Cheers!
 
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And, as several people pointed out, the terrorists were flying poorly. I think Oystein pointed out at least one nearly missed.

I never said you did. I did. I said your alternative theories are impossible.

I already pointed out where something seemed weird to me, until I got more info that made it make sense. At that point, I changed "my thoughts" from "that's weird" to "makes sense".

It's not dogma. It's logic. Nice ad hominem, ironically, attacking us for attacking you.

Because of your stubborn refusal to acknowledge facts contrary to your "alternative scenarios", AKA conspiracy theories. For example, you keep harping on about how its weird that Boeing can't talk because of national security issues. Their jets were involved in a major terrorist attack. Maybe there's something worth keeping secret, I don't know. Maybe they don't have time to humor Truthers nutjobs. Until there's evidence either way, making snide insinuations about their possible complicity is intellectually dishonest.

No, you've taken disparate facts, speculated wildly, and called it "evidence". For example, 757s/767s would require extensive and conspicuous physical modification to be flown by remote control. Just because remote controls exist for some planes doesn't mean that it would be possible to install said remotes in the jets used in the attacks. At the very least, both the groundcrew and flight crew--including the pilots who are about to be killed--would have to be in on it.

Ah, a masochist.
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Believe what you want...if the FBI said they have no hard evidence against bin laden...to the point where wasn't listed for 9/11 on the top 10 list for it..Yet you guys have so much evidence...anything else is not even considered.
 
Mr. Skinny said:
I worked for 3 years in a foundry that poured high silicon iron and stainless steel.

I might be able to distinguish molten steel from molten brass or copper, but it's pretty tough to tell one molten metal from another unless you are wearing cobalt blue lenses that filter out a lot of the intense light and have a lot of experience with metals.
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tmd2_1 will know that,given his vast experience of metallurgy.
 
tmd2_1 said:
I'm still waiting for your video...can't wait for it actually in terms of what you said...see this post.

As I said I don't want to address...what was or was not found at this time. I have done that already, as I have done this already. If you think Gross lying is an unimportant detail I don't know what to tell you. He could have said yes I know there were witnesses, but what they actually saw was ..... he chose to avoid the matter altogether...I wonder why?
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What a funny little world you live in.

here's the only kind of video you'll see coming from me

 
tmd2_1 said:
Give up...I mean really what they actually saw is not important to whether he lied or not he said he knows of no one who said they saw molten steel, there clearly were people who said they did.


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A lot of people said that they saw the Virgin Mary at Lourdes, do you believe them?
 
DGM said:
But, how does it show the actual time the picture was taken, thus making the point made. You are relying on CIT or someone with provable honesty issues.
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Did you not read when I said those photos were apart of the DOD list (which was released in order) that photo was noticeably absent and clearly very early in the set. If you don't want to believe me contact the photographer. Do you really think he would let someone publish photos attributed to him, when there not his? I mean I know he can't stop them but he could sue them, especially a photo as important as this one could be.
 
tmd2_1 said:
I don't want to give my qualifications not because I am ashamed of them..far...very far from it...I would like to not give any information for people to try and find out who I am.

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I studied reprography and graphic design. Do you know who I am now? What a lame excuse.
 
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