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I worked as an assistant to a metallurgist for a while and I would be interested to know how you can identify molten steel simply by looking at it.. What are your qualifications in the fields of metallurgy,engineering and aviation?

My qualifications are of no concern....read what I said before...he clearly lied. I'll paste it for you again.

This the exact quote (they are talking about Molten steel) " I know of absolutely no body no eye witnesses who said so.." then he follows with the produce it. As I said I'm not here to address what was produced or not at this time, but he said "absolutely no body no eye witnesses who said so" that is a lie (or has I have been saying grossly negligent)
 
Except you haven't shown any evidence at all, let alone offer a coherent alternative theory.

No truther has ever presented a full alternative theory and none ever will. It's been ten years and zilch. They all concentrate on a tiny detail and avoid all the impossibilities inherent in trutherism. It has become a religion,or should I say religions.
 
My qualifications are of no concern....read what I said before...he clearly lied. I'll paste it for you again.

This the exact quote (they are talking about Molten steel) " I know of absolutely no body no eye witnesses who said so.." then he follows with the produce it. As I said I'm not here to address what was produced or not at this time, but he said "absolutely no body no eye witnesses who said so" that is a lie (or has I have been saying grossly negligent)

I already knew that you have no qualifications and you do not know what you are talking about. When are you going to win your Pulitzer prize by revealing all this to an astonished world?
 
I worked as an assistant to a metallurgist for a while and I would be interested to know how you can identify molten steel simply by looking at it.. What are your qualifications in the fields of metallurgy,engineering and aviation?
I worked for 3 years in a foundry that poured high silicon iron and stainless steel.

I might be able to distinguish molten steel from molten brass or copper, but it's pretty tough to tell one molten metal from another unless you are wearing cobalt blue lenses that filter out a lot of the intense light and have a lot of experience with metals.
 
I already knew that you have no qualifications and you do not know what you are talking about. When are you going to win your Pulitzer prize by revealing all this to an astonished world?

I think I shall add you to the cheerleader list with Wildcat and platypus
 
My qualifications are of no concern....read what I said before...he clearly lied. I'll paste it for you again.

This the exact quote (they are talking about Molten steel) " I know of absolutely no body no eye witnesses who said so.." then he follows with the produce it. As I said I'm not here to address what was produced or not at this time, but he said "absolutely no body no eye witnesses who said so" that is a lie (or has I have been saying grossly negligent)

So? Always the unimportant details. How can you identify molten steel by looking at it? Have you ever considered that there could have been metals in the buildings? I know it's a long shot but it's worth considering.
 
Young guys? They were sent to America to record an attack on America? They were young so they would be less conspicuous.

They were on TV because of their activities on 9/11. Truthers didn't arrange that. They put themselves on the radar. AGAIN.

When do they say they came to America to record the attacks?
 
So? Always the unimportant details. How can you identify molten steel by looking at it? Have you ever considered that there could have been metals in the buildings? I know it's a long shot but it's worth considering.

As I said I don't want to address...what was or was not found at this time. I have done that already, as I have done this already. If you think Gross lying is an unimportant detail I don't know what to tell you. He could have said yes I know there were witnesses, but what they actually saw was ..... he chose to avoid the matter altogether...I wonder why?
 
Wrong....there were witnesses who said they saw Molten steel...he said he knows of no witnesses who said they saw molten steel (I'm not addressing whether they saw it or not in this post) see these two videos. If he didn't know about those witnesses..as I said he should be removed for gross negligence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SLIzSCt_cg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs_ogSbQFbM

And the witnesses knew it was "molten steel" because...

Wait for it...They said so!

tmd - diggin' a hole to China in the name of 9/11 "truth."

As to crime scene evidence being removed - happens at every oportunity.

locally, lately:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/07/29/state/n124320D71.DTL
 
It will be an honour to be ignored by a truther,it shows I'm right.

Not on any ignore list...I ignore no one...a cheerleader list...you know...simply just jeer those who disagree with your dogma...and cheer those who agree with it...but never seem to offer anything of any value at all.
 
This the exact quote (they are talking about Molten steel) " I know of absolutely no body no eye witnesses who said so.." then he follows with the produce it. As I said I'm not here to address what was produced or not at this time, but he said "absolutely no body no eye witnesses who said so" that is a lie (or has I have been saying grossly negligent)

What your failing to understand, due to either a lack of comprehension or willful ignorance, is just saying something does not make it so.

"They saw molten steel!"

"Orly? Where is it?"

"Well we don't know, but please enjoy this fine YouTube, which has several people claiming to have seen it."

"Please tell us how the witnesses are qualified to make the determination that it was in fact molten steel and what process did they use to arrive at their conclusion."

"Uhh...They were there...and umm..."

"I know of absolutely nobody, no eye witnesses who said so, who's produced it.."

"LIAR!!! ELEVENTY!!1!"
 
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No, they said they were their, at that point, to record the event. They could've noticed what was going on, and showed up to record it. Hanlon's Razor.

I notice you are studiously avoiding the questions about when they got there.
 
And the witnesses knew it was "molten steel" because...

Wait for it...They said so!

tmd - diggin' a hole to China in the name of 9/11 "truth."

As to crime scene evidence being removed - happens at every oportunity.

locally, lately:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/07/29/state/n124320D71.DTL

I'm still waiting for your video...can't wait for it actually in terms of what you said...see this post.

As I said I don't want to address...what was or was not found at this time. I have done that already, as I have done this already. If you think Gross lying is an unimportant detail I don't know what to tell you. He could have said yes I know there were witnesses, but what they actually saw was ..... he chose to avoid the matter altogether...I wonder why?
 
My qualifications are of no concern....read what I said before...he clearly lied. I'll paste it for you again.
Actually your qualifications are of some concern, since you seem ready to offer your opinions on aeronautics, physics, engineering, chemistry, etc.

Even if you are quoting others, it would be nice to know what filters you are using (e.g. your personal education/experience) to determine what you think is good information, what is not, and why that information is relevant.

There is a thread here where many debunkers list their experience/education (maybe someone can link to it). I'm certainly not ashamed of mine, and I think it goes to the credibility (or lack thereof) of the things I say.

Just my opinion though. Your mileage may vary, as they say.
This the exact quote (they are talking about Molten steel) " I know of absolutely no body no eye witnesses who said so.." then he follows with the produce it. As I said I'm not here to address what was produced or not at this time, but he said "absolutely no body no eye witnesses who said so" that is a lie (or has I have been saying grossly negligent)
Would you like me to go through your posts and find a statement that you clarified with a subsequent sentence that clarified it, and then only focus on the first statement, ignoring the clarification?
 
What your failing to understand, due to either a lack of comprehension or willful ignorance, is just saying something does not make it so.

"They saw molten steel!"

"Orly? Where is it?"

"Well we don't know, but please enjoy this fine YouTube, which has several people claiming to have seen it."

"Please tell us how the witnesses are qualified to make the determination that it was in fact molten steel and by what process did they use to arrive at their conclusion."

"Uhh...They were there...and umm..."

"I know of absolutely nobody, no eye witnesses who said so, who's produced it.."

"LIAR!!! ELEVENTY!!1!"

Give up...I mean really what they actually saw is not important to whether he lied or not he said he knows of no one who said they saw molten steel, there clearly were people who said they did.


I'll post this again.
As I said I don't want to address...what was or was not found at this time. I have done that already, as I have done this already. If you think Gross lying is an unimportant detail I don't know what to tell you. He could have said yes I know there were witnesses, but what they actually saw was ..... he chose to avoid the matter altogether...I wonder why?
 
I was talking about the planes that hit the buildings square. I provided more evidence, more sources then everyone else on this thread combined (pertaining to what's in this thread alone) I provided evidence to hani's poor flying ability along with evidence that what he "did" took a fair amount of skill. I provided my own reasons as to why hitting the WTC the way they did...would be quite hard.
And, as several people pointed out, the terrorists were flying poorly. I think Oystein pointed out at least one nearly missed.

I never said any of this was impossible.
I never said you did. I did. I said your alternative theories are impossible.

You definitely seem incapable of changing your thoughts,
I already pointed out where something seemed weird to me, until I got more info that made it make sense. At that point, I changed "my thoughts" from "that's weird" to "makes sense".

and ruthlessly attack anyone that shows problems with your dogma.
It's not dogma. It's logic. Nice ad hominem, ironically, attacking us for attacking you.

There is no doubt I have frustrated, stumped, and is some cases infuriated some members here. Why?
Because of your stubborn refusal to acknowledge facts contrary to your "alternative scenarios", AKA conspiracy theories. For example, you keep harping on about how its weird that Boeing can't talk because of national security issues. Their jets were involved in a major terrorist attack. Maybe there's something worth keeping secret, I don't know. Maybe they don't have time to humor Truthers nutjobs. Until there's evidence either way, making snide insinuations about their possible complicity is intellectually dishonest.

Because I provided evidence that is in direct contradiction of their dogma. I didn't back down from anyone...called people out on their crap, you know the ones who think they are simply brilliant, but most importantly I stayed with facts and assumptions based on evidence.
No, you've taken disparate facts, speculated wildly, and called it "evidence". For example, 757s/767s would require extensive and conspicuous physical modification to be flown by remote control. Just because remote controls exist for some planes doesn't mean that it would be possible to install said remotes in the jets used in the attacks. At the very least, both the groundcrew and flight crew--including the pilots who are about to be killed--would have to be in on it.

Being on your ignore list..is just about the highest form of a compliment anyone could pay me.
Ah, a masochist.
 
You know I said this before but with replies like that, it's hard to believe there is any "truth" movement at all.
I'm sorry, but when you link to that clueless idiot Rob Balsamo's site you get the laughing dog.
 
What is you and Wildcat's role in any of this? It seems all you do is insult people who disagree with your dogma, as "conspiratards" or however you want to say it, and cheer on those who agree with you. Offer no evidence, nothing of any value what's so ever. Other people may have called me an idiot(while completely un-necessary)...but at least offered something. You guys seem to be nothing more then cheerleaders. Jeering those who disagree with and cheering those who agree. I mean that's all I've seen you guys do.
You've already proven you refuse to address facts, evidence, logic, the scientific method... you are also apparently ignorant of what the word "evidence" actually means.

It's pointless arguiing with people like you, because 9/11 truth is a religious belief with you. It's exactly like arguing the age of the earth with a fundy Christian who believes the earth is 6,000 years old. No amount of evidence to the contrary will convince you you are wrong.
 
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