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triforcharity said:
It was BEYOND NIST's stated scope of work.
I am a firefighter by trade. Should I also be working in the billing department for the ambulance service too? No. It's beyond my scope. It's not my responsibility to deal with it.
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You're going to have to tell me where to find that, I find it hard to believe he would say they *should* do something and then say it is outside their scope of work.
 
AJM8125 said:
No...you haven't.
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I'll say it one more time...when asked about the witnesses that saw Molten steel, He said (paraphrasing) I am aware of no eyewitnesses who said so (referring to seeing molten steel) There were plenty of witnesses who said they saw it. (I'm not addressing what they actually saw in this post) That is a lie...saying you know of no one that said they saw something, when there clearly was... is a lie. If he didn't know of those witnesses he was so grossly negligent he should be removed from his position. Either way is quite bad.
 
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tmd2_1 said:
You're going to have to tell me where to find that, I find it hard to believe he would say they *should* do something and then say it is outside their scope of work.
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How about directly from NIST themselves?

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/WTCplan_new.htm

ETA: Where does Mackey and Greening say that NIST should further study this eroded steel? Citation needed. (This means a direct quote with a link to where you got it from)

ETA2: I got it, But you see, here is the problem that you STILL have. Mackey says that since the report on 7WTC had not been released, that it COULD be addressed in the 7WTC Final. Guess what? It was.
 
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triforcharity said:
How about directly from NIST themselves?

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/WTCplan_new.htm
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All you have to do is look at the first line.

To investigate the building construction, the materials used, and the technical conditions that contributed to the outcome of the World Trade Center (WTC) disaster.

I think that would cover investigating the Sulfur found on the steel beam.

But even besides that you accuse me of quote mining from Mackey's report..throw out a quote...then use NIST for the source of the quote (note not Mackey's report) and that isn't even right. And I'm the quote miner who simply said look at pg 102? Some crazy logic right there.
 
tmd2_1 said:
I'll say it one more time...when asked about the witnesses that saw Molten steel, He said (paraphrasing) I am aware of no eyewitnesses who said so (referring to seeing molten steel) There were plenty of witnesses who said they saw it. (I'm not addressing what they actually saw in this post) That is a lie...saying you know of no one that said they saw something, when there clearly was... is a lie. If he didn't know of those witnesses he was so grossly negligent he should be removed from his position. Either way is quite bad.
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I am aware of no eyewitnesses who said so (referring to seeing Jimmy Doemico being shot). Therefore, if there were eyewitnesses, I'm a liar by your standard. Correct?
 
Mr. Skinny said:
I am aware of no eyewitnesses who said so (referring to seeing Jimmy Doemico being shot). Therefore, if there were eyewitnesses, I'm a liar by your standard. Correct?
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Wrong....there were witnesses who said they saw Molten steel...he said he knows of no witnesses who said they saw molten steel (I'm not addressing whether they saw it or not in this post) see these two videos. If he didn't know about those witnesses..as I said he should be removed for gross negligence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SLIzSCt_cg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs_ogSbQFbM
 
tmd2_1 said:
Wrong....there were witnesses who said they saw Molten steel...he said he knows of no witnesses who said they saw molten steel (I'm not addressing whether they saw it or not in this post) see these two videos. If he didn't know about those witnesses..as I said he should be removed for gross negligence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SLIzSCt_cg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs_ogSbQFbM
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I told you yesterday I was on dial-up and can't see your youtube evidence.

I suppose my question is - did the man know of these witnesses to molten steel at the time he made the statement that he "knew of no witnesses"?

I apologize for not being able to watch the videos you want me to see, but you also don't seem to grasp what I'm trying to get at when I ask a question or use an example to make a point. You don't follow up with a clarification, you just post the same thing.
 
Mr. Skinny said:
I told you yesterday I was on dial-up and can't see your youtube evidence.

I suppose my question is - did the man know of these witnesses to molten steel at the time he made the statement that he "knew of no witnesses"?

I apologize for not being able to watch the videos you want me to see, but you also don't seem to grasp what I'm trying to get at when I ask a question or use an example to make a point. You don't follow up with a clarification, you just post the same thing.
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Well the videos...would be clarification... But I'll say how could he not know of these witnesses? I mean it takes about 10 seconds to run a search and find videos of them. Some were interviewed by CBS and other major news stations...there is no way he could not have known about them. As I said if were really unaware of this the degree of negligence would be to a level almost never seen before. I would hope he wouldn't need to do a search and find the video, as the lead investigator he should probably talk to them himself. It wasn't just one or two either..the video...you can see close to 10, and most of them are fireman recovery workers..people who would probably have a good idea of what it really is. And that's just on those videos. This was right after the event also..not years later by the way But he stands there and says he knows of no witnesses.
 
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tmd2_1 said:
I'll say it one more time...when asked about the witnesses that saw Molten steel, He said (paraphrasing) I am aware of no eyewitnesses who said so (referring to seeing molten steel) There were plenty of witnesses who said they saw it. (I'm not addressing what they actually saw in this post) That is a lie...saying you know of no one that said they saw something, when there clearly was... is a lie. If he didn't know of those witnesses he was so grossly negligent he should be removed from his position. Either way is quite bad.
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Yes, but before your video launches its quote-mining extravaganza, you overlook one very important part of Mr. Gross' quote: "[I know of]Nobody who's produced it."[molten steel]

Which means if Mr. Gross had encountered molten steel on the pile himself or was given an example, then those "witness" testimonies might carry some weight. But since nobody in ten years can do better than quote-mining, then the claim of molten steel falls into the category of bigfoot and UFOs - plenty of people have claimed to seen them - has anybody produced one?
 
AJM8125 said:
Yes, but before your video launches its quote-mining extravaganza, you overlook one very important part of Mr. Gross' quote: "[I know of]Nobody who's produced it."[molten steel]

Which means if Mr. Gross had encountered molten steel on the pile himself or was given an example, then those "witness" testimonies might carry some weight. But since nobody in ten years can do better than quote-mining, then the claim of molten steel falls into the category of bigfoot and UFOs - plenty of people have claimed to seen them - has anybody produced one?
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This the exact quote (they are talking about Molten steel) " I know of absolutely no body no eye witnesses who said so.." then he follows with the produce it. As I said I'm not here to address what was produced or not at this time, but he said "absolutely no body no eye witnesses who said so" that is a lie (or has I have been saying grossly negligent)
 
alienentity said:
Fail by quotemine...... by this same silly standard Silverstein ordered WTC 7 demolished by FDNY and there were both freight trains and explosives at the WTC.

None of these things are meaningful except as records of off-the-cuff comments that people make.

If those young guys were not from Israel they wouldn't even be on truther's radar.

Pathetic
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Young guys? They were sent to America to record an attack on America? They were young so they would be less conspicuous.

They were on TV because of their activities on 9/11. Truthers didn't arrange that. They put themselves on the radar. AGAIN.
 
tmd2_1 said:
Wrong....there were witnesses who said they saw Molten steel...he said he knows of no witnesses who said they saw molten steel (I'm not addressing whether they saw it or not in this post) see these two videos. If he didn't know about those witnesses..as I said he should be removed for gross negligence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SLIzSCt_cg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs_ogSbQFbM
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I worked as an assistant to a metallurgist for a while and I would be interested to know how you can identify molten steel simply by looking at it.. What are your qualifications in the fields of metallurgy,engineering and aviation?
 
tmd2_1 said:
Didn't say that..infact I have never ever said it was an "inside" job. Simply that I believe the evidence is more in the favor of an alternative theory.
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Except you haven't shown any evidence at all, let alone offer a coherent alternative theory.
 
tmd2_1 said:
This the exact quote (they are talking about Molten steel) " I know of absolutely no body no eye witnesses who said so.." then he follows with the produce it. As I said I'm not here to address what was produced or not at this time, but he said "absolutely no body no eye witnesses who said so" that is a lie (or has I have been saying grossly negligent)
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What do you think of Dusty's energy beam weapons and no plane theory? What do you say to your fellow truther?
 
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