WTC dust

[sheeplesnshills]

Look it up. Dead human beings smell of a certain chemical called "cadaverene". I smelled these dead people. It was a trauma for me. But, at the very same time that I smelled the dead people, I smelled this other curious and unique smell.

This latter smell is what lasted for months. Not the smell of dead bodies. That went away after a few days.

do you see dead people too?

Are you professional nose?

http://www.osmoz.com/News-Trends/Magazines/Archives/How-to-become-a-nose

If not why do you presume any smell is curious or unique when it is as likely you simply lack previous experience with large collapsed office building full of people that burn for months.?

I'd be surprised if the smell was anything other than unique since it was a unique event.

 

[WTC Dust]

I'm not one bit confused, friend.

Oh I thought it was confusing for you... not people....since Sylvan gave you a very clear explanation of what was in the fire.

Do you use the same level of skill and integrity in your non-recreational research? You don't work for the tobacco lobby perhaps?

 

[Dash80]

One of my assumptions is that the weapon created the smell.

There lies your problem, assumptions are all you have.

 

[Telltale Tom]

No. It remained strong for three months. Then I left the country. Then when I returned four months later, the smell had weakened. But it was still there. It was still there occassionally as late as 2009, and remember I lived next door to the WTC in 2009.

And you can still find it today immediately after any large fire.

 

[Telltale Tom]

I'm not one bit confused, friend.

That's surprising to me, friend.
I guess that means that while you are not confused, and your writing is confusing; that just means that you are not very good at being clear and expressing yourself.

 

[WTC Dust]

The WTC was not manufactured from unique materials, though. Steel, concrete, glass, aluminum, wood, plastic, gypsum, other metals, ceramics, fibers, and tiny amounts of everything else. Very little that was volatile was stored in the WTC. They do have fire codes. Just normal every day materials were located inside the WTC. Nothing that, when burning, should smell like that (which means that they were not burning). Nothing that should fume for many months. Nothing in this list is particularly rare, such that it would result in all the testimony of "strange smells".

It was a strange smell because it was a "strange fire", that is, not a fire at all.

do you see dead people too?

Are you professional nose?

http://www.osmoz.com/News-Trends/Magazines/Archives/How-to-become-a-nose

If not why do you presume any smell is curious or unique when it is as likely you simply lack previous experience with large collapsed office building full of people that burn for months.?

I'd be surprised if the smell was anything other than unique since it was a unique event.

 

[WTC Dust]

Nah. I've been at the scene of several large buildings on fire in NYC. Nothing like this smell was present.

And you can still find it today immediately after any large fire.

 

[WTC Dust]

Having assumptions isn't a problem, as long as you know what your assumptions are.

If you've got something to counter this assumption, I'd change it.

I believe that you, yourself, have this assumption. Specifically, that the weapon (an airplane) caused the smell. Right?

There lies your problem, assumptions are all you have.

 

[bill smith]

No. It remained strong for three months. Then I left the country. Then when I returned four months later, the smell had weakened. But it was still there. It was still there occassionally as late as 2009, and remember I lived next door to the WTC in 2009.

Where could the smell have been coming from sfter 8 years except from the ground . Deep under the ground maybe.

 

[Dash80]

The WTC was not manufactured from unique materials, though. Steel, concrete, glass, aluminum, wood, plastic, gypsum, other metals, ceramics, fibers, and tiny amounts of everything else. Very little that was volatile was stored in the WTC. They do have fire codes. Just normal every day materials were located inside the WTC. Nothing that, when burning, should smell like that (which means that they were not burning). Nothing that should fume for many months. Nothing in this list is particularly rare, such that it would result in all the testimony of "strange smells".

It was a strange smell because it was a "strange fire", that is, not a fire at all.

Wow you are confused! Earlier you admitted the towers were damaged and burning, you say the pile burned for months but now it's not a fire at all.

Lol Tracy (can I call you that... We're familiar enough with each other by now), I think you should cut back on the pot and neon hair dye. It's messing with your head hun.

My name is Anneliese by the way.

 

[brazenlilraisin]

In case you missed it in the pic she linked earlier, the coy Dr. Dust wants us to see the same significance she does in the two-tone coloring of her hunk of whatever.

I think the regular fire smell was the dark gray smoke.

I think the weird "what the heck is that?" smoke was the white colored smoke.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxlJk8uiEW4

Among her more interesting assertions is that relocation of a PATH train station is evidence of directed energy weapons use.

Yes, she says that.

 

[Telltale Tom]

One of my assumptions is that the weapon created the smell.

Any other assumptions that you would care to share with us?

 

[Dash80]

Having assumptions isn't a problem, as long as you know what your assumptions are.

If you've got something to counter this assumption, I'd change it.

I believe that you, yourself, have this assumption. Specifically, that the weapon (an airplane) caused the smell. Right?

No thats not my assumption, the smell of jet fuel was certainly there though. Primarily before the collapses, the other stuff smelled like a combination of things that shouldn't be mixed together.

 

[Telltale Tom]

In case you missed it in the pic she linked earlier, the coy Dr. Dust wants us to see the same significance she does in the two-tone coloring of her hunk of whatever.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxlJk8uiEW4

Among her more interesting assertions is that relocation of a PATH train station is evidence of directed energy weapons use.

Yes, she says that.

thanks... that explains a lot.
Certainly ample reason to explain why she wants a new investigation.!

 

[Telltale Tom]

Having assumptions isn't a problem, as long as you know what your assumptions are.

If you've got something to counter this assumption, I'd change it.

I believe that you, yourself, have this assumption. Specifically, that the weapon (an airplane) caused the smell. Right?

I am afraid that you are wrong on that second assumption as well. I do not think the plane caused the smell.

 

[TheRedWorm]

[your science is] as bad as, if not worse than the 'science' creationists are 'conducting'.

Now, I'm not saying that I'm personally proposing anything about biology. I'm saying that what YOU are doing here is the equivalent to a creationist saying to you that not only is evolution a lie, but that cells don't exist. Do you understand now?

 

[Porkpie Hat]

Just remember why I came to JREF. I came searching for a debunking.

I told my story to you to see what you all would say. You found a small error in it (the part about someone surviving the airplane crash into the ESB), but other than that, my story remains untouched.

Some of you voiced concerns over contamination, but in actuality, those were already my concerns. I showed you pictures of the cigarette butts nearby, and brought the issue out into the open, and people did discuss it. None of their concerns invalidated my samples, but I did open the issue for a purpose. I want a debunking.

Mostly what I've gotten have been insults to my intelligence and sanity, but none of those count as a proper debunking.

As far as submitting my samples to independent investigators, that's a possibility. Right now, I'm seeking collaborations. When those have gotten going, yes, sharing my samples with independent investigators will probably happen, but I'm calling the shots here. They are my samples. Until I'm thoroughly happy with the work done on the samples by myself and my collaborators, the independent researchers will have to wait.

But this actually brings up the outrageous thing I'm considering doing. I'm thinking of selling the samples. It's quite democratic, I think. You really think I'm wrong and want to disprove me using an independent analysis? It will be possible, now.

Not cheap, mind you, but possible.

The only logical statement in your entire post was the smilie at the end of it.

You've collected dust, no confirmation that it even came from the WTC site, and done nothing to analyise what it consists of other than a few very simple observations...then you came here to have that, THAT, debunked.

On top of all this you say we could buy your "samples" for the right price and continue to evade the reason why you refuse to act like the serious researcher you claim to be.

As I said before, you and others like you make the young and the gullible look like fools when they attempt to argue from authority using your name and you have zero conscience that your legacy as a professional will be the dumbing down of the worlds youth.

Good luck with that.

 

[bill smith]

I suppose the whole WTC area is concreted over now and yet in 2009 you coould still get an occasional whiff of the 2001 smell. It was some kind of a very strange unusual burning smell coming from the ground, maybe released from manholes or drains in 2009.
Now what could have caused that ?

 

[triforcharity]

The smell of cadaverene doesn't last very long because the nose quickly desensitizes to it. Despite the continued presence of dead people, you just don't smell it after a while.

The other smell is what lasted.

BZZZZZTTTTTTTTT!!!! I call bull ****.

BTW, for a supposed "biologist" you spelled cadaverine incorrectly.

I was IN the pile for months. I never got used to that smell. Never.

Why don't you submit your "work" to a peer-reviewed reputable journal?

 

[Telltale Tom]

I suppose the whole WTC area is concreted over now and yet in 2009 you coould still get an occasional whiff of the 2001 smell. It was some kind of a very strange unusual burning smell coming from the ground, maybe released from manholes or drains in 2009.
Now what could have caused that ?

A vivid imagination perhaps?