Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

[Oystein]

Addressing the OP, I believe you my friend are the one responsible for Noah having to donate $1000 to Gage band of merry loons.

Yep.

I am afraid Noah hasn't noticed yet under this pile of off-topic. Where is Noah, anyway?

 

[Oystein]

Simple example, imagine driving your car as fast as you possibly can, it is difficult to keep under control. A plane is no different, hitting those buildings that square and that level is very hard to do. As for the pentagon you just made my point, it is hard to keep off the ground and below the roof. All are not impossible just difficult.

I am in Germany. You know, Autobahn? No speed limit! Yes, I have gone 230km/h (>140mph) - top speed.
Was it difficult to stay in my lane? Not at all! It is easy cruising.
Suppose You are on the salt pans of Utah. Suppose there is a shed somewhere on it. Suppose it's a bright, sunny day. Suppose you go 150mph in your Mercedes Benz. Do you think you can hit the shed at 150 mph when navigating in from 20 miles out?
Answer: Yes. Everybody can do that. 10 out of 10 times. Even kids with no driver's license could do it.

 

[Oystein]

Another brilliant post full of relevant information. Oh I understand flight control systems very very well, you don't have to worry abut that one bit.

Liar.

Do you feel so cornered and embarrassed that you are not above the most obvious of bare-faced lies?

So tell us: How do you remote control a 767?
Sources, please
(Hint: The four planes used on 9/11 werer NOT fly-by-wire! Bet you didn't know that, eh?)

 

[tmd2_1]

I am in Germany. You know, Autobahn? No speed limit! Yes, I have gone 230km/h (>140mph) - top speed.
Was it difficult to stay in my lane? Not at all! It is easy cruising.
Suppose You are on the salt pans of Utah. Suppose there is a shed somewhere on it. Suppose it's a bright, sunny day. Suppose you go 150mph in your Mercedes Benz. Do you think you can hit the shed at 150 mph when navigating in from 20 miles out?
Answer: Yes. Everybody can do that. 10 out of 10 times. Even kids with no driver's license could do it.

This is a response to all your posts...and it is quite easily answered. Not only can 757/767's be modified they already exist. Look at this link I posted already. It's all there. And you know who worked for a company that modified those 757/767...is not other then the pentagon comptroller. A coincidence...maybe...but as I said before these coincidences are really adding up.

http://100777.com/node/1836

 

[tmd2_1]

Liar.

Do you feel so cornered and embarrassed that you are not above the most obvious of bare-faced lies?

So tell us: How do you remote control a 767?
Sources, please
(Hint: The four planes used on 9/11 werer NOT fly-by-wire! Bet you didn't know that, eh?)

You're hilarious...I already answered most of this including what fly by wire is...see previous posts

 

[Oystein]

I don't know how many people were in on it, I do know if the upper branches of the security at all 3 airports which happened to be run by ICTS, were in on it, it could be done.

You don't know.
Do you notice how often you must write this?
How about this:
- Find yourself a blackboard and a supply of chalk
- Write "I don't know most things about 9/11" a hundred times
- Contemplate

Yes re-work of the flight systems is not something I think maintenance would notice, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.

Care to elaborate?
Remember: 757s and 767s are NOT fly-by-wire. That means they are not flown by computers; they have old-fashioned electric servos and cables pulling on controls. When the plane does not do what the pilots want it to do, they can deactivate any and all helper system, and fly the plane the old fashioned way.
To fly it by software, you would have to install computers, motors, and lots of things.
Yes, maintenance would notice that. At night with the lights out. Pilots would notice that.

 

[Oystein]

Are you trying to impress with me the term "fly by wire" which simply means the computer controls the rudder, the flaps..etc...as opposed to it being mechanically controlled. Fly by wire does make it easier to use remote control...but you can see why the link I gave it was quite possible.

No. The link says nothing at all about how remote signals get converted into the physical manipulation of flight surfaces.

 

[Oystein]

One last time...see the link there are modified Boeing 757/767's however difficult or not difficult you think it is, I mean the proof is simply the fact that they exist.

The linked text contains no instance of the strings "Boeing", "757" or "767".
Why is that?
Because it does not address such oldish commercial airliners at all.

Why do you lie so obviously?

 

[WildCat]

Can you recommend anybody in particular ?

Comedy Central?

 

[Oystein]

This is a response to all your posts...and it is quite easily answered. Not only can 757/767's be modified they already exist. Look at this link I posted already. It's all there.

It is painfully obvious that the Boeing 757 and the Boeing 767 are missing.

And you know who worked for a company that modified those 757/767...is not other then the pentagon comptroller. A coincidence...maybe...but as I said before these coincidences are really adding up.

http://100777.com/node/1836

It talks about crafts specifically designed to be remotely controlled. Like unmanned planes and boats.

757s and 767s are not unmanned. They are not designed to be remote controlled. They lack dozends of devices to be remotely controlled. There exists no design for 757s and 767s to be remotely controlled. Designing such systems would require dozends, if not hundreds of people who would now know that 757s and 767s can be remotely controlled, and wonder why none are ever known to have been built. Even more people to build these devices. Even more to install them. Even more to be bribed to notice the obvious manipulations to the planes.

The idea is ridiculous in the most extreme, and you plainly LIED to us about your knowledge of flight control systems. Fact is, you have not even the beginning of a hint of the faintest clue.

You can't even READ the documents you link to, or why did you not notice that it doesn't talk about piloted planes at all, let alone Boeing 757s or 767s? Why else would you not expect that any of us would notice the stupidity of bringing this link into this context?

 

[tmd2_1]

The linked text contains no instance of the strings "Boeing", "757" or "767".
Why is that?
Because it does not address such oldish commercial airliners at all.

Why do you lie so obviously?

Give it up....you said that it's not possible, I proved not only is it possible, they exist. I mean for God's sake they were in existence before 9/11 what more do you need? You're unbelievable. I can't and won't address this any further then that. Maybe....just maybe an alternative theory could be true. Not saying it is....but just maybe.
Yeah I'm comedy central, you have a guy still saying something is impossible when it's right there, they existed before 9/11. How is that not hilarious to everyone?

Let me add that company took existing planes and modified them....really just give it up

 

[Oystein]

You're hilarious...I already answered most of this including what fly by wire is...see previous posts

No, you did not. You don't know what that link is about and what it is not about.
You have no clue.

 

[dafydd]

Give it up....you said that it's not possible, I proved not only is it possible, they exist. I mean for God's sake they were in existence before 9/11 what more do you need? You're unbelievable. I can't and won't address this any further then that. Maybe....just maybe an alternative theory could be true. Not saying it is....but just maybe.
Yeah I'm comedy central, you have a guy still saying something is impossible when it's right there, they existed before 9/11. How is that not hilarious to everyone?

Let me add that company took existing planes and modified them....really just give it up

No full theory then? I thought not.

 

[Sunstealer]

This is a response to all your posts...and it is quite easily answered. Not only can 757/767's be modified they already exist. Look at this link I posted already. It's all there. And you know who worked for a company that modified those 757/767...is not other then the pentagon comptroller. A coincidence...maybe...but as I said before these coincidences are really adding up.

http://100777.com/node/1836

I've read that page and there is nothing on it that resembles anything you have been asked to provide.

You'll believe anything no matter how crazy or tenuous as long as it supports your inside jobby job fantasy. We've seen dozens of your type here before and you continue to spout nonsense that has been debunked over and over. You bring nothing new to the table. You seem to be very ignorant and naive. It's obvious that you have zero experience with regards passenger aircraft, airlines and maintenance, let alone aircraft control systems. Infact it looks like you have zero experience of anything connected to your fantasies and 9/11.

Excavators dipping out molten steel - it's a cracker, completely ludicrous, but of course to you it's plausible and true, not a problem at all. Your statement shows you haven't thought about the issues at all. You've gone to all the crazy websites and drunk the stupid down in big gulps. Stop it. Start looking critically at your statements before you post them. When shown to be wrong acknowledge it.

 

[tmd2_1]

No full theory then? I thought not.

I've read that page and there is nothing on it that resembles anything you have been asked to provide.

You'll believe anything no matter how crazy or tenuous as long as it supports your inside jobby job fantasy. We've seen dozens of your type here before and you continue to spout nonsense that has been debunked over and over. You bring nothing new to the table. You seem to be very ignorant and naive. It's obvious that you have zero experience with regards passenger aircraft, airlines and maintenance, let alone aircraft control systems. Infact it looks like you have zero experience of anything connected to your fantasies and 9/11.

Excavators dipping out molten steel - it's a cracker, completely ludicrous, but of course to you it's plausible and true, not a problem at all. Your statement shows you haven't thought about the issues at all. You've gone to all the crazy websites and drunk the stupid down in big gulps. Stop it. Start looking critically at your statements before you post them. When shown to be wrong acknowledge it.

This is getting ridiculous....look at this article. Boeing refuses to clarify anomalies about 175 citing national security concerns. Yeah it would really be a concern to say yeah...that a regular A/C. Note I am not saying Boeing is involved with this at all. I don't think it would be in there best business interest to say yeah there's something strange about the A/C

http://www.amics21.com/911/enigma.html

 

[Oystein]

Give it up....you said that it's not possible, I proved not only is it possible, they exist.

Gnaaaahhhhhh

Obviously, remote controlled aircraft do exist. Who denied that? No-one did!
Obviously, only aircraft specifically designed to be remotely controlled can be remotely controlled.
In that case, they are equipped with tech stuff to remotely control them.
Equally obviously, the 757 and 767 are not designed for remote control.
For this reason, they obviously are not equipped with the necessary tech stuff.
If someone did equip a 757 or 767 with remote control tech stuff, the manipulation would be very obvious to maintenance and pilots.
Hence it is impossible to remote control a 757 or 767 without the pilots noticing.
No pilot in his right mind would move a plane one inch from its parking position with such major manipulations in place.

I mean for God's sake they were in existence before 9/11 what more do you need?

They flew to the moon in 1969. Are you saying a 757 could fly to the moon? I hope not, because a 757 is neither designed nor equipped to fly to the moon, and if someone manipulated it thusly, someone would notice even before take-off.

What a dumb line of reasoning!

You're unbelievable. I can't and won't address this any further then that. Maybe....just maybe an alternative theory could be true. Not saying it is....but just maybe.

Yeah, maybe. But it can't involve remote control.

Yeah I'm comedy central, you have a guy still saying something is impossible when it's right there, they existed before 9/11. How is that not hilarious to everyone?

Because everyone except you understands that remote control of a plane is only possible if it is designed and equipped for that purpose.

Let's do another car analogy: In 2008, ESC was well introduced to automobiles. It "is a computerized technology that improves safety of a vehicle's stability by detecting and minimizing skids". In August of that year, I drove my Toyota Corolla a little carelessly on wet mouintain road, lost control and skidded into the ditch.
How was that possible - should ESC not have prevented this from happening?
NO! Why? Because my Toyota Corally was not equipped with ESC! Get it? It is not a matter of changing computer software - you have to install things in my Corolla!

Or, an even closer analogy: Remote controlled vehicles have been around for a long time. Now, could a software change to my Corolla make it a remote-controlled car? No way! It has no device to turn the steering wheel (or turn the front wheels wothout applying the steering wheel).
Suppose someone would manipulate my Corolla to make it remote controlled - would I notice? Possibly. Would the guys at the garage notice? Hell yes!

Let me add that company took existing planes and modified them....really just give it up

Four planes owned and maintained by American Airlines and United Airlines? Really? Without them noticing, or with their approval?
So add AA and UA to your growing list of conspirators, right?

 

[tmd2_1]

No full theory then? I thought not.

I'll say it one more time, and this is the last time. Look at the previous posts, in fact I'll tell you it's my very first post in this thread. I expand on it in this thread as people asked me questions. Please note...the beauty of being open to accepting all possibilities, not just about this but anything, is that if someone presents evidence that is compelling I will change my thoughts. I'm not attached to any dogma that most of the people here seem to be. I would suggest and hope everyone is that way, you don't have to jump through hoops, trying to hold on to some belief, that may not be true, you simply accept another scenario is possible.

 

[tmd2_1]

Gnaaaahhhhhh

Obviously, remote controlled aircraft do exist. Who denied that? No-one did!
Obviously, only aircraft specifically designed to be remotely controlled can be remotely controlled.
In that case, they are equipped with tech stuff to remotely control them.
Equally obviously, the 757 and 767 are not designed for remote control.
For this reason, they obviously are not equipped with the necessary tech stuff.
If someone did equip a 757 or 767 with remote control tech stuff, the manipulation would be very obvious to maintenance and pilots.
Hence it is impossible to remote control a 757 or 767 without the pilots noticing.
No pilot in his right mind would move a plane one inch from its parking position with such major manipulations in place.

I mean for God's sake they were in existence before 9/11 what more do you need?

They flew to the moon in 1969. Are you saying a 757 could fly to the moon? I hope not, because a 757 is neither designed nor equipped to fly to the moon, and if someone manipulated it thusly, someone would notice even before take-off.

What a dumb line of reasoning!



Yeah, maybe. But it can't involve remote control.



Because everyone except you understands that remote control of a plane is only possible if it is designed and equipped for that purpose.

Let's do another car analogy: In 2008, ESC was well introduced to automobiles. It "is a computerized technology that improves safety of a vehicle's stability by detecting and minimizing skids". In August of that year, I drove my Toyota Corolla a little carelessly on wet mouintain road, lost control and skidded into the ditch.
How was that possible - should ESC not have prevented this from happening?
NO! Why? Because my Toyota Corally was not equipped with ESC! Get it? It is not a matter of changing computer software - you have to install things in my Corolla!

Or, an even closer analogy: Remote controlled vehicles have been around for a long time. Now, could a software change to my Corolla make it a remote-controlled car? No way! It has no device to turn the steering wheel (or turn the front wheels wothout applying the steering wheel).
Suppose someone would manipulate my Corolla to make it remote controlled - would I notice? Possibly. Would the guys at the garage notice? Hell yes!



Four planes owned and maintained by American Airlines and United Airlines? Really? Without them noticing, or with their approval?
So add AA and UA to your growing list of conspirators, right?

Noooo, planes that were apart of the military tanker program. How they or that equipment got to the airports (if they did) I don't know..hence why the security would have had to have been involved. Again operated by the same company. I'll say it one more time there were 757 and 767's in existence at that time who could be remote controlled. It's as simple as that.

 

[DGM]

They flew to the moon in 1969. Are you saying a 757 could fly to the moon? I hope not, because a 757 is neither designed nor equipped to fly to the moon, and if someone manipulated it thusly, someone would notice even before take-off.

But, the 757/767 has more computing power and a more complex flight system. What are you claiming here?

 

[tmd2_1]

This is getting ridiculous....look at this article. Boeing refuses to clarify anomalies about 175 citing national security concerns. Yeah it would really be a concern to say yeah...that a regular A/C. Note I am not saying Boeing is involved with this at all. I don't think it would be in there best business interest to say yeah there's something strange about the A/C

http://www.amics21.com/911/enigma.html

I want to re-post this for those who may have missed it.

Sorry I meant to add that this is from an article that clearly supports the Bin Laden did it scenario...like al queda would be able to get people on the ground at the airport.