Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

[tmd2_1]

So you lied, there was no "sulfur on" the steel. It was in the steel, formed a eutectic, and left you in the dark. How will you tie corroded steel into your fantasy of what happen on 911? Wax on, "sulfur on". You have no idea what to do now so you will avoid fixing what you meant to say. Did you take a Chem Engr course in college?

I can't address this any further it's all there...even Ryan Mackey said it should be investigated further and wanted NIST to run experiments, which they never did. But Jon Cole did, and guess how the results turned out?

 

[beachnut]

I can't address this any further it's all there...even Ryan Mackey said it should be investigated further and wanted NIST to run experiments, which they never did. But Jon Cole did, and guess how the results turned out?

Jon Cole proved steel would have evidence of thermite on the steel, fused to the steel. WTC steel had no thermite products. Means Jon Cole debunked 911 truth and your fantasy.

There was no "sulfur on" the steel. But go ahead ignore your mistakes and move on to the next false claim.

 

[TJM]

*sigh* did you read the e-mail?

Yes. Apparently you don't understand what it says.

I didn't personally see molten steel at the World Trade Center site. It was reported to me by contractors we had been working with...<snip>

It says that Loizeaux said there are videos and pictures of Molten steel. Hence why he would be a liar if there were none.

Nope. It says he heard that from his contractor, Tully. So will you be contacting Tully and inquiring about pictures, videos, who claims this and by what process did they arrive at their conclusion of molten steel?

I don't like Bollyn at all but I'm sure 911 myths would have done everything in their power to discredit that e-mail.

Oddly enough...

Besides, look at the several videos I posted of Gross you can clearly see in one of the videos (videos within the video that is) two people standing around a big black mass...saying this is Molten steel. Can I say with 100% certainty that it is no...but it sure looks like it. Hence there is more then likely video of Molten steel.

Yet none have surfaced in ten years, hence you're more than likely wrong. Again, interesting how you arrived at your conclusion. Says a lot.

You believe what you want to believe about the penthouse and the collapse time, most people would say that fell in under 7 seconds.

Then most people are mistaken, which really isn't a fair statement. Most people couldn't give a rat's ass less about WTC 7. Most 9/11 truthers hold on to their mistaken notion that it fell in less than 7 seconds.

I'm sorry you're right, how dare I hold someone charged with the responsibility of investigating the greatest crime in US history...funded by tax payer dollars, to a higher standard to some average Joe, that almost certainly has good intentions. I won't do that again.

Strange. You think someone who blatantly lies in an attempt to discredit the hard work of someone else has good intentions? Says a lot. Thank you for that.

 

[Craig4]

Believe what you want..take a look at this video..it is out of sync but it does a good job of summing up the evidence. The first part with the police transmission, did happen on Sep 11, well at least Norman Mineta gave testimony to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nUea8BDEKU

Nope. You don't tie the three Israelis to the attack. You don't tie van that's described exploding to the three Israeli citizens detained with the van in New Jersey. Again, you've produced no evidence to tie the Israeli government to 9/11.

 

[Sam.I.Am]

I'm getting tired of explaining myself. Look through the entire thread, I'll just give some key points here. Look at Jon Cole's videos I have them linked several times. This explains a lot of what your saying. Also do me a favor...since you being so smart and all prove him wrong by experiment, should be no problem for you. Also look at Steven Jones paper again I referenced several times.

As far as noticing weird things going on in the building...how many times do you actually ever stop and look at what maintenance is doing? They also would not be smart enough to do it late at night when no one is there would they? The bad guys wouldn't be that smart.
Ok do tell me what exactly was burning and causing extremely high temperatures for weeks afterwards? Despite millions of gallons of water being dumped on it, along with several rain falls. Because that the normal behavior of fires even those enhanced by jet fuel right?

I don't need to prove him wrong of anything. Centuries of past experience and all of the thousands of lives lost due to accidental detonation of explosives does it just fine thank you very much. My training and background as a Conventional Weapons Handling Supervisor seals the deal. You simply can't do what the CT's claim in the manner that they claim it. One small initial fire has blown up an entire city yet you people seem to think that an airliner filled with jet fuel is inconsequential.

Just because you don't pay attention to your surroundings doesn't mean that other people don't. Those buildings were populated 24 hours a day, they didn't just walk out at 5pm and then the last man out has to turn off the lights and lock the door.. For example stock trading and banking doesn't stop when the sun sets in NYC and many of the floors where your imaginary explosives had to be placed were exactly where those types of activities were going on. Were there less people there at 3pm than 3 am? Sure. But they certainly weren't empty and that would just make it more unlikely, not less, that someone could go about doing suspicious things unnoticed but it would increase the odds that anyone who did see something unusual were out of the building by 9am that morning. Funny how none of those people have mentioned it after ten years huh?

The fires were fueled by 200+ acre sized floors full of office equipment buried under thousands of tons of rubble that helped to protect it from the water being put on it. That's not to mention that ther*te burns out in a few minutes, not hours and certainly not months later.

There is a reason why people think that 9/11 truthers are nuts and it has a lot to do with their constantly ignoring what was actually happening and inserting random imaginary events in their place and then claiming that that's what was going on.

 

[Dash80]

What on God's earth are you talking about???


You know what let me reply to that. I can easily make something that sounds just as good.
Let me try.
Do you honestly believe that a cave man...living thousands of miles away, was able to plan and execute the greatest crime in the history of the US?
I mean 19 men beat aircraft security, 4 different times. They successfully took over the planes 4 different times, armed with box cutters. I mean box cutters of all things, they mine as well not have been armed at all. All 4 planes were able to somehow slip past the greatest military in the world, with the most sophisticated equipment in the world. That 3 out of the 4 planes successfully hit there targets, and if it wasn't for the courage of the passengers of one plane it would have hit their fourth. That cell phone calls were made several times when they were all but impossible. That extremely novice pilots showed impressive flight skills especially the pilot at the pentagon, who reportedly had trouble flying a Cessna. That our military just happened to find a tape lying around in Afghanistan of Bi Laden confessing. Even with the tapes dubious authenticity, some of the translation is very much in question. That the FBI didn't have Bin Laden as wanted for 9/11 and when asked why simply stated we have no hard evidence against him. Then after almost 10 years of trying to catch this guy when we finally do, absolutely no proof is shown. We wanted to "honor" muslim traditions by burying him within 24 hours, and didn't want to "spike the football" as Obama put it.

Now does that sound at all reasonable to you? There's many more things I could...but you get my point, but hey that was fun thanks for giving me the idea.

WOW the fail is hurting my eyes!

Your "cavemen" assertion is ridiculous, not to mention insulting to muslims. It's exactly the reason terrorists target us in the first place, thinking they're all unsophisticated savages incapable of anything.
The Al Quada leaders and lead hijackers were NOT cave dwelling imbeciles, they grew up in middle class to wealthy families, were well educated too. Bin Laden studied Civil Engineering, KSM studied in the U.S. Atta studied Urban Planning and Architecture in Cairo and Hamburg, Jarrah studied Aeronautical Engineering in Hamburg also.
None of them were brilliant pilots, but they never intended to be. They had no intentions of becoming commercial pilots. Once they took control over those flights it was easy, just point the plane towards target and nail down the throttle. Flight students with far fewer flying hours than the hijackers were able to hit targets in simulators, I personally know a flight student who successfully crashed in to the Pentagon using a Boeing simulator, intentionally crashing a plane is not actually that difficult. I am a terrible driver but I know the basics and I could smash a car into a wall easily, if I wanted to. Taking off and landing are perhaps the trickiest parts of flying a plane, the hijackers didn't have to take off and they certainly didn't intend to land. All they had to do was keep the plane in the air long enough to sight and point at the highly visible targets, then violently smash into them. WHY IS THIS SO HARD FOR YOU TO GRASP?

 

[Sunstealer]

What are you talking about? Go to the link do you see the section that says C.2 Sample 1 (From WTC 7)
Under that it's 9 lines down and the 6th word over is the first time it appears.
here is the link again

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/metallurgy/WTC_apndxC.htm

You don't understand a word of that report. It does not mean what you think it means.

 

[Mince]

.They successfully took over the planes 4 different times, armed with box cutters. I mean box cutters of all things, they mine as well not have been armed at all.

It wasn't box cutters that cowed the passengers, it was the threat of a bomb and a promise to return safely.

 

[Oystein]

Is anybody still mindful of the OP?

 

[Craig4]

Is anybody still mindful of the OP?

Sure, tmd stated that he provided proof and we're pointing out his error to him. Join in; it's fun.

 

[Oystein]

Sure, tmd stated that he provided proof and we're pointing out his error to him. Join in; it's fun.

Can't you all point out that whatever "proof" tmd supposedly provided simply does not address the OP ("prove that explosives can survive plane impact and fires"), instead of feading the derail by replying to all the things that don't address the OP?

 

[Dash80]

You don't understand a word of that report. It does not mean what you think it means.

Exactly. Also, boxcutters can be very dangerous in the hands of someone intending to cause a person harm. The hijackers could have come equipped with ice skate blades and still caused damage to someone. Those passengers witnessed hijackers sticking sharp blades into other innocent passengers and crew, that in itself is enough to keep them subdued.

OOPS quoted wrong post! Oh well, I think it was meant to be the one below, yeah Mince's post. I'm blaming lack of sleep lol

 

[beachnut]

What on God's earth are you talking about???

Ironic, this is a question you need to ask yourself after reading your post.

You know what let me reply to that. I can easily make something that sounds just as good.

Make up something, that is what you already did.

Let me try.

Again. Ready.

Do you honestly believe that a cave man...living thousands of miles away, was able to plan and execute the greatest crime in the history of the US?

A cave man? Did not look like a cave where he was watching satellite TV. Are you being biased against Muslims? Are you trying to say Muslims can't plan a suicide attack, but Bush can fake one? This has to be a joke, you slam Muslims, and apologize for the 19 terrorists by making up lies about 911 and blaming the Jews, and Bush.

I mean 19 men beat aircraft security, 4 different times.

Beat security? This means nothing. They actually tested the system on many flight; did they not? Why would they be stopped?

They successfully took over the planes 4 different times, armed with box cutters.

When is the last time you survived a surprise attack with a knife or box cutters from behind after the attacker cut your throat? How long did you live, how did you know the attack was going to kill you? Which way do the pilots face? Did you know the pilot are strapped in with seat belts and shoulder harnesses? Ever sit in a the pilot's seat? I have thousands of hours in the seat. We face forward, it would be hard to fend off an attack from someone rushing the cockpit.

I mean box cutters of all things, they mine as well not have been armed at all.

Right, you have fought how many people who came at you with box cutters? The pilots were rushed from behind, they were strapped in with belt and harnesses. And it was a surprise attack. What was your point?

All 4 planes were able to somehow slip past the greatest military in the world, with the most sophisticated equipment in the world.

There is no military to slip past for domestic air traffic, we are a country of civilian control, not a military state. Better try to learn more about the US air space. You are not doing to good, there was nothing to slip past.

That 3 out of the 4 planes successfully hit there targets, and if it wasn't for the courage of the passengers of one plane it would have hit their fourth.

It would be hard to miss the WTC towers, and the Pentagon is one of the largest office buildings in the world, not hard targets to miss. Wait, you are saying

That cell phone calls were made several times when they were all but impossible.

Cell phone can work in flight, in fact there was a failed truther who did a video to prove Cell phone can't work in flight and he got connected. OOPS. BUT!, the passengers used the seat back phones because cell phones do have problems in flight staying connected. So you kind of messed up here, saying it is impossible for cell phone to work, but they can, and then failing to realize the phones used for the long phone calls, were seat back phones. What is your point?

That extremely novice pilots showed impressive flight skills especially the pilot at the pentagon, who reportedly had trouble flying a Cessna.

Have you looked at the FDR? It shows the pilots, the terrorists pilots did not have imprssive skills. Hani was a sloppy pilot, poor bank angle control, poor speed control, lousy altitude control. ... wait for it...
What on God's earth are you talking about???
His instructor, Hani's instructor said he would have no problem hitting the Pentagon. I agree, I flew heavy jets, and flying jets is easier than flying a single engine Cessna. Have you flown heavy jets? I have flown both Cessnas and Heavy Boeing Jets. Boing makes outstanding jets, and the new ones are very easy to fly, they have engineered out the bad qualities which made it harder to fly the older jet, like a 707. Guess you don't know much about flying, and it shows.

That our military just happened to find a tape lying around in Afghanistan of Bi Laden confessing. Even with the tapes dubious authenticity, some of the translation is very much in question.

UBL promised to kill us, he made good. Did you pay attention in the 90s? UBL said he would kill us. There is an interview, did you miss it? From your posts it appears you are not prepared, you did not do the required research, you came unprepared.

That the FBI didn't have Bin Laden as wanted for 9/11 and when asked why simply stated we have no hard evidence against him.

The FBI said he was wanted for worldwide terrorism. Last time I checked NYC was part of the world, in worldwide. UBL was a suspect, and gee, he said it was he.

Then after almost 10 years of trying to catch this guy when we finally do, absolutely no proof is shown.

Proof of what? He is dead.

We wanted to "honor" muslim traditions by burying him within 24 hours, and didn't want to "spike the football" as Obama put it.

Wow, we treated the murderer with some respect after shooting him. And?

Now does that sound at all reasonable to you? There's many more things I could...but you get my point, but hey that was fun thanks for giving me the idea.

The only point you made so far is you don't understand 911, you have no idea the phone calls were mainly from seat back phones, you think the sloppy flying of Hani was and example of "impressive flight skills", and more nonsnese. The flying skills statement proves you did not research 911.

Why does the complex plot, two complex steps have you baffled.
Step 1, take planes
Step 2, Crash planes into large buildings.

I guess it is hard to imagine people rushing the cockpit and killing the pilots first. If you think about it for a second, how you can take over and fly a plane, you must kill the pilots before they can stop the plot. The pilots could stop the planes, the pilots will not let someone crash their jet.

When you think about the 19 terrorist taking the planes, the way they isolated the passengers and killed the crew that was in the way, it is cold and cruel. Why do you make up lies about 911? Can't you understand the 19 terrorists were murderers?

You have taken what 911 Truth said and adopted it. One big lie after another, no wonder no one listens to you and 911 truth.

 

[Fly Poster]

He lied you know he lied...anyone who see's that video knows he lied. As far as the second part....give me a break, while I won't speak for them I'm pretty sure they were referring to videos of witnesses seeing Molten Steel, you know videos of the witnesses saying they saw it. As for 6.6 seconds..pretty sure that's not a lie. The 13 seconds that is often quoted is from the start of the pent house, not the start of the main collapse. The main collapse took just under 7 seconds. Want proof Gross had a chance to correct him..and didn't but I'm sure he had better things to do.

The main collapse took just under 7 seconds for the roof line to disappear from view, that means that even if we assume you are correct about the EMP collapse not being the start (you are not), you are still being economical with the truth, or as you call it: Lying.

Also, when you say: "caves" do you mean like this?:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/imint/garmabak_ghar-pre.htm

I don't actually think you are lying btw, just as far as you are aware, the building fell in under 7 seconds.

 

[tmd2_1]

Yes. Apparently you don't understand what it says.





Nope. It says he heard that from his contractor, Tully. So will you be contacting Tully and inquiring about pictures, videos, who claims this and by what process did they arrive at their conclusion of molten steel?




Oddly enough...



Yet none have surfaced in ten years, hence you're more than likely wrong. Again, interesting how you arrived at your conclusion. Says a lot.



Then most people are mistaken, which really isn't a fair statement. Most people couldn't give a rat's ass less about WTC 7. Most 9/11 truthers hold on to their mistaken notion that it fell in less than 7 seconds.



Strange. You think someone who blatantly lies in an attempt to discredit the hard work of someone else has good intentions? Says a lot. Thank you for that.

Let me make this as clear as possible
Here is a copy of the e-mail I'll hi lite the important part.


I didn't personally see molten steel at the World Trade Center site. It was reported to me by contractors we had been working with. Molten steel was encountered primarily during excavation of debris around the South Tower when large hydraulic excavators were digging trenches 2 to 4 meters deep into the compacted/burning debris pile. There are both video tape and still photos of the molten steel being "dipped" out by the buckets of excavators. I'm not sure where you can get a copy.
Believe what you want about the time of the collapse.

Watch the videos I provided of Gross lying, as I said there's a black mass that looks like an awful lot like molten steel, besides the two guys saying it was molten steel.

Those guys weren't lying, Gross was simple as that.

Nope. You don't tie the three Israelis to the attack. You don't tie van that's described exploding to the three Israeli citizens detained with the van in New Jersey. Again, you've produced no evidence to tie the Israeli government to 9/11.

*sigh* there's not much more I can do. It's all there. Is it direct hard evidence...100% proof probably not. But it is an awful lot of circumstantial evidence.

I don't need to prove him wrong of anything. Centuries of past experience and all of the thousands of lives lost due to accidental detonation of explosives does it just fine thank you very much. My training and background as a Conventional Weapons Handling Supervisor seals the deal. You simply can't do what the CT's claim in the manner that they claim it. One small initial fire has blown up an entire city yet you people seem to think that an airliner filled with jet fuel is inconsequential.

Just because you don't pay attention to your surroundings doesn't mean that other people don't. Those buildings were populated 24 hours a day, they didn't just walk out at 5pm and then the last man out has to turn off the lights and lock the door.. For example stock trading and banking doesn't stop when the sun sets in NYC and many of the floors where your imaginary explosives had to be placed were exactly where those types of activities were going on. Were there less people there at 3pm than 3 am? Sure. But they certainly weren't empty and that would just make it more unlikely, not less, that someone could go about doing suspicious things unnoticed but it would increase the odds that anyone who did see something unusual were out of the building by 9am that morning. Funny how none of those people have mentioned it after ten years huh?

The fires were fueled by 200+ acre sized floors full of office equipment buried under thousands of tons of rubble that helped to protect it from the water being put on it. That's not to mention that ther*te burns out in a few minutes, not hours and certainly not months later.

There is a reason why people think that 9/11 truthers are nuts and it has a lot to do with their constantly ignoring what was actually happening and inserting random imaginary events in their place and then claiming that that's what was going on.

I'm not sure I needed to read much more then what I have highlighted. If so many centuries of experience are on your side, then it should be very easy to prove him wrong by way of experiment.

Come on wouldn't all the rubble be staving the fire of oxygen as well? Just a thought.

I pay attention to my surroundings, but you have got to be kidding I'm sure every time there's maintenance going on in the building you work at, you give it a close up inspection.

Look at Cole and Jones' work they think differently about how long thermite will last.

But above all do let me know when you have that video of your experiment ready, you could probably have it done today, with so many centuries of experience on your side.

WOW the fail is hurting my eyes!

Your "cavemen" assertion is ridiculous, not to mention insulting to muslims. It's exactly the reason terrorists target us in the first place, thinking they're all unsophisticated savages incapable of anything.
The Al Quada leaders and lead hijackers were NOT cave dwelling imbeciles, they grew up in middle class to wealthy families, were well educated too. Bin Laden studied Civil Engineering, KSM studied in the U.S. Atta studied Urban Planning and Architecture in Cairo and Hamburg, Jarrah studied Aeronautical Engineering in Hamburg also.
None of them were brilliant pilots, but they never intended to be. They had no intentions of becoming commercial pilots. Once they took control over those flights it was easy, just point the plane towards target and nail down the throttle. Flight students with far fewer flying hours than the hijackers were able to hit targets in simulators, I personally know a flight student who successfully crashed in to the Pentagon using a Boeing simulator, intentionally crashing a plane is not actually that difficult. I am a terrible driver but I know the basics and I could smash a car into a wall easily, if I wanted to. Taking off and landing are perhaps the trickiest parts of flying a plane, the hijackers didn't have to take off and they certainly didn't intend to land. All they had to do was keep the plane in the air long enough to sight and point at the highly visible targets, then violently smash into them. WHY IS THIS SO HARD FOR YOU TO GRASP?

Listen it has nothing to do with him being Muslim or not, simply with the fact he lived in a cave. Above all this was written to show how one writes things can greatly impact if it is believable or not. 19 men hijacked planes and crashed them sounds simple...but compare that to what I wrote.

You don't understand a word of that report. It does not mean what you think it means.

Brilliant response you cleared up any mystery about this report. Ryan Mackey questioned this finding (see page 102 of his paper) why shouldn't I? He said NIST should conduct experiments....which they didn't, Jon Cole did..guess how it turned out? Don't like Cole's results prove him wring by experiment, just as he asks.

It wasn't box cutters that cowed the passengers, it was the threat of a bomb and a promise to return safely.

See what I said above...besides box cutters were used in the taking over of the plane.

Is anybody still mindful of the OP?

I've said ask the admins to move this, or do whatever but as long as people challenge me in *this* thread I will respond in *this* thread.

Exactly. Also, boxcutters can be very dangerous in the hands of someone intending to cause a person harm. The hijackers could have come equipped with ice skate blades and still caused damage to someone. Those passengers witnessed hijackers sticking sharp blades into other innocent passengers and crew, that in itself is enough to keep them subdued.

See above
I mean when's the last time you have ever heard of someone getting robbed or held up by someone with a box cutter?

 

[tmd2_1]

Ironic, this is a question you need to ask yourself after reading your post.

Make up something, that is what you already did.

Again. Ready.

A cave man? Did not look like a cave where he was watching satellite TV. Are you being biased against Muslims? Are you trying to say Muslims can't plan a suicide attack, but Bush can fake one? This has to be a joke, you slam Muslims, and apologize for the 19 terrorists by making up lies about 911 and blaming the Jews, and Bush.

Beat security? This means nothing. They actually tested the system on many flight; did they not? Why would they be stopped?

When is the last time you survived a surprise attack with a knife or box cutters from behind after the attacker cut your throat? How long did you live, how did you know the attack was going to kill you? Which way do the pilots face? Did you know the pilot are strapped in with seat belts and shoulder harnesses? Ever sit in a the pilot's seat? I have thousands of hours in the seat. We face forward, it would be hard to fend off an attack from someone rushing the cockpit.
Right, you have fought how many people who came at you with box cutters? The pilots were rushed from behind, they were strapped in with belt and harnesses. And it was a surprise attack. What was your point?

There is no military to slip past for domestic air traffic, we are a country of civilian control, not a military state. Better try to learn more about the US air space. You are not doing to good, there was nothing to slip past.

It would be hard to miss the WTC towers, and the Pentagon is one of the largest office buildings in the world, not hard targets to miss. Wait, you are saying

Cell phone can work in flight, in fact there was a failed truther who did a video to prove Cell phone can't work in flight and he got connected. OOPS. BUT!, the passengers used the seat back phones because cell phones do have problems in flight staying connected. So you kind of messed up here, saying it is impossible for cell phone to work, but they can, and then failing to realize the phones used for the long phone calls, were seat back phones. What is your point?

Have you looked at the FDR? It shows the pilots, the terrorists pilots did not have imprssive skills. Hani was a sloppy pilot, poor bank angle control, poor speed control, lousy altitude control. ... wait for it...
What on God's earth are you talking about???
His instructor, Hani's instructor said he would have no problem hitting the Pentagon. I agree, I flew heavy jets, and flying jets is easier than flying a single engine Cessna. Have you flown heavy jets? I have flown both Cessnas and Heavy Boeing Jets. Boing makes outstanding jets, and the new ones are very easy to fly, they have engineered out the bad qualities which made it harder to fly the older jet, like a 707. Guess you don't know much about flying, and it shows.
UBL promised to kill us, he made good. Did you pay attention in the 90s? UBL said he would kill us. There is an interview, did you miss it? From your posts it appears you are not prepared, you did not do the required research, you came unprepared.

The FBI said he was wanted for worldwide terrorism. Last time I checked NYC was part of the world, in worldwide. UBL was a suspect, and gee, he said it was he.

Proof of what? He is dead.

Wow, we treated the murderer with some respect after shooting him. And?


The only point you made so far is you don't understand 911, you have no idea the phone calls were mainly from seat back phones, you think the sloppy flying of Hani was and example of "impressive flight skills", and more nonsnese. The flying skills statement proves you did not research 911.

Why does the complex plot, two complex steps have you baffled.
Step 1, take planes
Step 2, Crash planes into large buildings.

I guess it is hard to imagine people rushing the cockpit and killing the pilots first. If you think about it for a second, how you can take over and fly a plane, you must kill the pilots before they can stop the plot. The pilots could stop the planes, the pilots will not let someone crash their jet.

When you think about the 19 terrorist taking the planes, the way they isolated the passengers and killed the crew that was in the way, it is cold and cruel. Why do you make up lies about 911? Can't you understand the 19 terrorists were murderers?

You have taken what 911 Truth said and adopted it. One big lie after another, no wonder no one listens to you and 911 truth.

I'm not sure there's much need to address you after this post, anything I say seems to be wrong by default. Let me just address a few things. No we are not a military state but we do scramble fighters to intercept/follow a hijacking. I could see the first plane hitting the tower, maybe the second. But the third that hit the pentagon a half an hour later (when we were already clearly under attack) and then another half an hour after that...still no fighters are scrambled? Come on.
Yeah I'm aware of that interview he did, I recall him saying he does not want to kill innocent women and children (I could be wrong...I don't feel like looking it up right now) But you know the strangest thing about that interview? The fact that some snot-nose reporter was able to find him, when the intelligence agencies of the most powerful nations in the world were not. That doesn't bother you? Remember he was still a very wanted man before 9/11.

As for cell phone calls, go here and research. Cell phone calls were made from planes.

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/calldetail.html

 

[Dash80]

Actually I've heard of people being robbed by people using boxcutters, penknives and even toy guns. Sane people tend not to question the potency of a potential weapon, when one is waved at them.

 

[tmd2_1]

Actually I've heard of people being robbed by people using boxcutters, penknives and even toy guns. Sane people tend not to question the potency of a potential weapon, when one is waved at them.

I don't mean this to sound obnoxious, could you link to a story. I would like to read about it, I'm sure it would be a good read. I really don't mean any sarcasm or anything by this, I would be interested in seeing a story like this.

Even if there were some successful robberies with them, there's a big difference between that and taking over a plane with them. But I really would be interested in seeing stories about this.

 

[beachnut]

I'm not sure there's much need to address you after this post, anything I say seems to be wrong by default. Let me just address a few things. No we are not a military state but we do scramble fighters to intercept/follow a hijacking. I could see the first plane hitting the tower, maybe the second. But the third that hit the pentagon a half an hour later (when we were already clearly under attack) and then another half an hour after that...still no fighters are scrambled? Come on.
Yeah I'm aware of that interview he did, I recall him saying he does not want to kill innocent women and children (I could be wrong...I don't feel like looking it up right now) But you know the strangest thing about that interview? The fact that some snot-nose reporter was able to find him, when the intelligence agencies of the most powerful nations in the world were not. That doesn't bother you? Remember he was still a very wanted man before 9/11.

As for cell phone calls, go here and research. Cell phone calls were made from planes.

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/calldetail.html

Wrong, automatic intercepts of hijacked planes is not done on domestic flights. Darn, you need to do research on what was reality before 911. We might have jets follow hijacked planes, but it would not happen until requested by FAA, law enforcement etc. You have no example of intercepts on domestic flight due to hijacking.

How would they find 77? Why would they launch birds on alert for possible attacks from overseas to follow a hijacked aircraft?

No, you are not aware of UBL interview, he made an exception for kids and women for the USA. He liked all of us enough to kill us, including women and children. You could read his interview, but...

He was not a snot nose reporter. batting 0

As for phone calls, the ones of substance were seat-back phones. Zero research again. Do you check your own sources? Wow.

Now you agree Hani was a poor pilot, or are you standing by your false statement he had impressive skills?

You are not doing too good at this truther junk, but you are doing as good as 911 truth; evidence free and shoddy research.

There are both video tape and still photos of the molten steel being "dipped" out by the buckets of excavators. I'm not sure where you can get a copy.

No there are not. But you keep saying it and never produce the photos, or the video.

 

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I'm not sure I needed to read much more then what I have highlighted. If so many centuries of experience are on your side, then it should be very easy to prove him wrong by way of experiment.

Come on wouldn't all the rubble be staving the fire of oxygen as well? Just a thought.

I pay attention to my surroundings, but you have got to be kidding I'm sure every time there's maintenance going on in the building you work at, you give it a close up inspection.

Look at Cole and Jones' work they think differently about how long thermite will last.

But above all do let me know when you have that video of your experiment ready, you could probably have it done today, with so many centuries of experience on your side.

Again. I don't need to prove anything to you. The work has already been done and can be found by anyone who wants to look for it. Repeatedly. The requirements to protect explosives from accidental detonation are very well known and understood by the people that have to work with them and stay alive. Day one in the explosives handling 101 class covers "Don't put explosives in or near a fire and don't hit the exploder mechanism with a hammer". This is really basic stuff and you can't get around it no matter how much you want to wish it away because it's inconvenient for your fantasy.

The same amount of protection that you would need for explosives also applies to your imaginary incendiary devices. They first need to withstand being hit by a 767 and the fires that resulted and then work flawlessly at least 45 minutes later. I think that you lack the simple understanding of, and appreciation for, the sheer magnitude and chaotic nature of the forces involved that day.

As far as your rubble fire comment goes all that it takes is to go and do some reading on landfill fires to see that the type of situation seen at ground zero is nothing new.

Finally, yes. If someone comes into my workspace to do any work (especially work that I didn't ask to be done) I'm going to notice it and even if it doesn't appear to be suspicious at the time if something happens later on I'm going to recall the unknown guy doing unknown work and say something about it. That hasn't happened IRT the WTC.