Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

[Oystein]

No. he is wrong. We were of course entirely excluded from the events themselves

Nonsense.

and so cannot actually PROVE anything.

Correct. You, the truthers, can't actually prove anything.

What we CAN prove is that the government is lying and that their story cannot be true.

Nonsense.

We can also find plenty of circumstantial evidence...

Yes. Mines quotes, quirks selected with a bias the size of Manhattan...

buckets of it in fact. But proof positive

Proof positive of WHAT? No truther in 10 years has ever written down a complete theory that explains all the known evidence, is internally consistent, does not assume unknown technology with magic properties, and is not the commonly accepted story itself.

is down to an independent investigation into the events of 9/11 with full powers of subpoena.

Nonsense.
There is nothing to be proven. No alternative story fits what we know already, and digging up a few additional bits and pieces won't change that situation. More realistically, it will make the world even more embarassing for truthers.

 

[bill smith]

Jeez....there's an echo in here..

 

[Carll68]

Jeez....there's an echo in here..

An echo requires a sound.....

Bill, if the core was rigged for demo, why was it the last thing standing?

 

[Carll68]

An echo requires a sound.....

Bill, if the core was rigged for demo, why was it the last thing standing?

Bill?

 

[bill smith]

Bill?

You may have missed my answer the last time.

But were those few still-standing columns made of heavy steel or only of ossified fireproofing ?
They sure didn't collapse like massive steel columns ...some of them went straight down vertically.(see video)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dWBB...eature=related

Or possibly you think the selected core columns were filled with explosive nanothermite ? Well they weren't. They were filled with purely incendiary nanothermite which burns at thousands of degrees centigrade. Way more than enough to liquify the steel in the columns.

 

[DGM]

Under the basement more like. Get yourself something that can detect a large magnetic anomaly and you may find it. Ask Sam. He's in submarines and will know all about it.

So in the subway tunnel? There's nothing under that. You do know the basements to bedrock (not where Fred and Wilma live).

 

[Sunstealer]

Conspirator 2: Some of the guys say that there is a special cavity under the building and they will blow out a portion of the lowest basement floor to allow the 15,000 tons to mostly drain down there. It won't all go down of course but most of it will.

OMFG I now know how Ricky Gervais feels when he listens to Karl Pilkingtons nonsense. Ha ha this is just the funniest thing I have ever heard.

Lets do some maths shall we.

Density of steel/iron = 7850Kg/m³
Assume 1 ton is a metric US ton equivalent to a tonne = 1000Kg

Density = mass/volume

So Volume = mass/density

So 15000x1000/7850 (15000/7.850) = 1910m³
How big is this WTC basement billy boy?

Truthers - morons the lot of them.

 

[tmd2_1]

Hi Carl...

Yes I provided a link to the whole conversation here it is again. I've stated he is either lying...or grossly negligent, either one is quite bad. I find it almost impossible to believe he did not know of these eyewitnesses..since a simple search will bring them up in seconds. Proving what someone knows or doesn't know is next to impossible in less you have written or recorded evidence, of them saying the opposite. Which is why I say at the very least he is grossly negligent, at the worse(and unfortunately most likely) bold face lying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SLIzSCt_cg

 

[bill smith]

So in the subway tunnel? There's nothing under that. You do know the basements to bedrock (not where Fred and Wilma live).

I think I'll just ignore you for a while DGM.. I am not interested in time wasters right now.

 

[The Platypus]

Hi Carl...

Yes I provided a link to the whole conversation here it is again. I've stated he is either lying...or grossly negligent, either one is quite bad. I find it almost impossible to believe he did not know of these eyewitnesses..since a simple search will bring them up in seconds. Proving what someone knows or doesn't know is next to impossible in less you have written or recorded evidence, of them saying the opposite. Which is why I say at the very least he is grossly negligent, at the worse(and unfortunately most likely) bold face lying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SLIzSCt_cg

if you have such a grasp on when people are lying, why can't you see as easily as most people that the conspiracy websites you get you info from are lying?

 

[DGM]

Hi Carl...

Yes I provided a link to the whole conversation here it is again. I've stated he is either lying...or grossly negligent, either one is quite bad. I find it almost impossible to believe he did not know of these eyewitnesses..since a simple search will bring them up in seconds. Proving what someone knows or doesn't know is next to impossible in less you have written or recorded evidence, of them saying the opposite. Which is why I say at the very least he is grossly negligent, at the worse(and unfortunately most likely) bold face lying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SLIzSCt_cg

Do you have an explanation as to why none of the "molten steel" was found during the clean-up?

 

[tmd2_1]

The Platypus,

Look through this whole thread..I've only referenced NIST, the FEMA report, Jon Cole, 911 myths, and a youtube video. The only one that's conceivably a "conspiracy" site or supporter or however you want to put it is Cole. But he simply makes his points with experiments, so I don't know where this accusation is coming from.

 

[The Platypus]

I think I'll just ignore you for a while DGM.. I am not interested in time wasters right now.

Then why have you wasted the last 10 years?

 

[DGM]

I think I'll just ignore you for a while DGM.. I am not interested in time wasters right now.

You might want to ignore Sunstealer too.

 

[The Platypus]

The Platypus,

Look through this whole thread..I've only referenced NIST, the FEMA report, Jon Cole, 911 myths, and a youtube video. The only one that's conceivably a "conspiracy" site or supporter or however you want to put it is Cole. But he simply makes his points with experiments, so I don't know where this accusation is coming from.

You don't seriously think noone knows that your delusions come from conspiracy websites, do you?

 

[tmd2_1]

DGM,

I've stated, as a point in *this* thread I am mainly focusing on the fact, that he said he is aware of no eyewitnesses that saw molten steel, that video clearly shows that there were. Whether there really was or not is not my point...he lied ...or was extremely grossly negligent, as to whether there were witnesses or not.

 

[tmd2_1]

My "delusion" (sarcasm) about John Gross lying comes from that video

 

[bill smith]

OMFG I now know how Ricky Gervais feels when he listens to Karl Pilkingtons nonsense. Ha ha this is just the funniest thing I have ever heard.

Lets do some maths shall we.

Density of steel/iron = 7850Kg/m³
Assume 1 ton is a metric US ton equivalent to a tonne = 1000Kg

Density = mass/volume

So Volume = mass/density

So 15000x1000/7850 (15000/7.850) = 1910m³
How big is this WTC basement billy boy?

Truthers - morons the lot of them.

A single cavity of 4m radius and 15m depth would hold about 750 cubic meters. I think there were two of then that size. So thats 1500 cubes taken care of. They may have been a little bigger and taken the lot.Not that big really. Then they blew away some of the basement floor to gain access. That was probably the huge explosion that was heard. Then they melted the selected columns and the molten steel all flowed down.

 

[DGM]

DGM,

I've stated, as a point in *this* thread I am mainly focusing on the fact, that he said he is aware of no eyewitnesses that saw molten steel, that video clearly shows that there were. Whether there really was or not is not my point...he lied ...or was extremely grossly negligent, as to whether there were witnesses or not.

How is that a lie? There are no confirmed reports of "molten steel". Saying something "looks like" or they "thought was" would be just repeating hear-say. What's the point? No solidified iron (or steel) was ever found.

BTW: the reply or quote function would make your post much more understandable.

 

[WildCat]

Hi Carl...

Yes I provided a link to the whole conversation here it is again. I've stated he is either lying...or grossly negligent, either one is quite bad.

You can state the moon is made of cheese if you like.

But the fact remains you have been unable to show how thermite on 9/11 could have lead to molten anything weeks later.

Don't you think it's kind of weird that your evidence for thermite is molten material weeks alter, which couldn't possibly have been due to thermite on 9/11?

And don't you think it's weird that you claimed to study both The Truth^TM about 9/11 as well as The Official Story^TM and picked the one you admit has no evidence at all supporting it?