Split Thread A full theory of 9/11

[Carll68]

Conspirator 2: We've developed a sweet little system especially for this, See these core columns coloured red on this plan ? Well we're poing to pump this stuff right INSIDE those selected hollow columns. Thev've all been sealed...no holes anymore. We may have to even fill them section by section right up as far as the 88th floor or so.

This entire scripted non evidence backed fairy tale is nonsense, of course.

However, Bill, >>>

Since you failed to see that the expert you cited to help prove your delusion, Leslie Robertson, who, as you put it, has 30 years experience and is probablly not wrong, thinks your CD fairy tales are moronic.

And since you failed to show me a video or picture of MOLTEN steel and then link me to the report that shows that metal was indeed steel, and not any of the other products in the WTC, such as glass, et.al.

It is of little suprise to me that in your fairy tale the core is what is rigged for collapse, but, in reality, it was still standing after the towner collapsed around it.......

Again, very twooferish of you

 

[bill smith]

This entire scripted non evidence backed fairy tale is nonsense, of course.

However, Bill, >>>

Since you failed to see that the expert you cited to help prove your delusion, Leslie Robertson, who, as you put it, has 30 years experience and is probablly not wrong, thinks your CD fairy tales are moronic.

And since you failed to show me a video or picture of MOLTEN steel and then link me to the report that shows that metal was indeed steel, and not any of the other products in the WTC, such as glass, et.al.

It is of little suprise to me that in your fairy tale the core is what is rigged for collapse, but, in reality, it was still standing after the towner collapsed around it.......

Again, very twooferish of you

But were those few still-standing columns made of heavy steel or only of ossified fireproofing ?
They sure didn't collapse like massive steel columns ...some of them went straight down vertically.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dWBBEtA5bI&feature=related

 

[Sabretooth]

Cool story, bro...

However, I have some questions, bill....


1. Do you realize how many 100's of tonnes of thermite would be required to do what you are proposing? How long do you suppose it took to "pump in" all that material?

2. Even the most careful painters and maintenance folk leave drippings and waste around once and a while. Heck, when blowing insulation, there is dust and crap everywhere. Why have no employees noticed piles of rust or such?

-and probably the most important question-

3. HTF did the WTC not go up like a giant freakin' sparkler when the thermite was ignited?

 

[bill smith]

Conspirator 1: In an operation this size and with so many variables there are bound to be some unforeseen problems. People are sure to notice something wrong after they get over the initial shock and start to think straight

Conspirator 2: That's a virtual certainty. So we are going to preempt the situation by setting the conspiracy hounds running early. That way we will guide the doubters into blind alleys and retain control. The Pentagon 'attack' will apparently lack a plane which will draw all the attention initially. Conspiracy theories will rack up fast. We will have 100-plus eyewitnesses to confirm a sighting of the plane and yet almost no plane wreckage.J'amie McIntyre of CNN will broadcast live that there is ' nothing to indicate that a plane has crashed anywhere near the Pentagon'

Conspirator 1: So the plan is to allow the conspiracy theories about the Pentagon to proliferate and at the point of crescendo we wll be 'forced' to release a video of a plane actually hitting the Pentagon. They expect that to blow any and all 9/11 conspiracy theories right out of the water- permanently.

Conspirator 2: Actually I wondered why the Pentagon was going to be hit. It seemed kind of superfluous to me when I got my imitial briefing.

Conspirator 1: Apart from that we plan to introduce lots of other more minor clues to a conspiracy. For instance Bush is visiting a school in Florida that morning. We are going to have Andrew Card tell him that the second plane shas struck while he is on camera and reading to the kids. Then he will just sit there for 20 minutes or so..not reacting at all and looking like a boiled frog probably. The SS will just stand there doing nothing when they should be getting him out of there like he was on fire. Strange and suspicious behaviour in other words. Rumsfeld will mention a 'missile' hitting the Pentagon and 93 being shot down, An E-4 electronics warfare Jumbo will circle the Whitehouse just as the smoke starts rising from the Pentagon just across the river. I wouldn't be surprised if the pilot leans out and points stright down ,jabbing his finger at the Whitehouse. Lots more and the poor saps will all race for the Pentagon conspiracy which we control. The whole thing is very very Keystone-Cops and heavy handed in my opinion.

Conspirator 2: Why are they going to all this trouble for a few conspiracy theorists anyway ?

Conspirator 1: They don't much care about the average Joe but if any really serious people start to express doubts we need a way to discredit them fast. People might listen and take them seriously, Then we could be in big trouble So the media will make sure that they are percieved as conspiracy theory 'nutters' This will apply across the board to all doubters of the government version of events. The media will ridicule them and Joe Schmo sitting on his couch in middle America will eat it all up.
I cannot stress enough just how important this phase of the operation is..

Conspirator 2: So was the choice of the 'Pet Goat' story no accident ? They really are staking out a Goat to attract a Tiger. Those neocons think they are so smart. It may turn around and bite them in the ass yet.

 

[DGM]

Cool story, bro...

However, I have some questions, bill....


1. Do you realize how many 100's of tonnes of thermite would be required to do what you are proposing? How long do you suppose it took to "pump in" all that material?

2. Even the most careful painters and maintenance folk leave drippings and waste around once and a while. Heck, when blowing insulation, there is dust and crap everywhere. Why have no employees noticed piles of rust or such?

-and probably the most important question-

3. HTF did the WTC not go up like a giant freakin' sparkler when the thermite was ignited?

4. With the thousands of people that have been through that site in the last 10 years, no one has slipped up and mentioned this huge solidified iron slab in the basement.

 

[bill smith]

4. With the thousands of people that have been through that site in the last 10 years, no one has slipped up and mentioned this huge solidified iron slab in the basement.

Under the basement more like. Get yourself something that can detect a large magnetic anomaly and you may find it. Ask Sam. He's in submarines and will know all about it.

 

[Carll68]

TMD..before you callously call Mr. Gross a lair...can you point me the section in the report where the findings of Molten Steel are located?

None? Oh, geesh, my bad...i thought you said he had knowledge of this.

Oh well..just point me to the evidence which proves he was aware of witness reports of molten metal.....because, as of this writing, I have no evidence that he was lying, i.e. I have no proof that he never knew of any witness reports of Molten Metal. So, therfor, I am hoping you have proof of this...or else you are simply calling him a liar..when, it is, well, you who are jumping to conclussions and lying.



And, while you are at it, please qoute the question and reply in its entirity, for clarification.

 

[cantonear1968]

Ok. This obviously not worth a lot of time, but just a few thoughts:

Since this is your "Full Theory" of 9/11, and how it was conducted, then I guess we can start to eliminate a few superfluous things;

Conspirator 1: There must be a hundred tons of that nanothermite paint stuff on those pallets of barrels. How are we supposed to plant that in the Trade Centres without being seen ?

So since you have gone with nanothermite for the buildings, we can eliminate all the quotes of "explosions" which you have adamantly defended in other threads. Thank you Bill. That line of argument is now gone for you!

Conspirator 1: At night ?

Conspirator 2: Mostly I guess, but we could do it in the day too if we want, You just have to have those paint tanks on wheels full of the stuff. You wear overalls like maintenance guys and if anybody asks what uou're doing you just tell them it's to do with the fireproofing or painting or cleaning or something. It's only a matter of inserting a tube into a specially drilled hole and get pumping. Nobody will notice a thing.

So we can eliminate all the nonsense about "power downs". In one building. For one weekend. Gone.
And the bomb sniffing dogs. Now, what's not really clear is how these people were able to gain access to the buildings past the security of the NY Port Authority. Perhaps you could clear that up

Conspirator 1: How will they spark it off then.

Conspirator 2: programmable wireless detonators and redundant relays all over the place. No sweat.

In a building that the FDNY had problems with communication? Well, at least we can eliminate the wired version of events. And thermite ceiling tiles. However, I see a problem with your theory of thermite in the box core columns: how did they take out the perimeter columns? And make that bowing effect we all see?

Anyway, that's probably all this is worth.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Full story enough Oystein or is there something else you need to know ?

where to start?

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Would YOU work in a building that was already wired for demolition ?
No, they would have kept it behind closed doors.

Wrong, as soon as two people know a secret it isn't a secret anymore and since there is no problem in dismantling even a 100 floor building why would they worry and add the expense for something that is likely 150 Plus years away and isn't an issue in any case

 

[uke2se]

I wonder if Bill has realized one of the purposes of making twoofers present a full narrative: It prevents them from skipping around between different and mutually exclusive "anomalies" and arguments. Bill has now made himself unable to use a lot of memes that he used to in the past without branding himself a liar.

 

[bill smith]

Well well. I'ts a while since I've been on TV but I'm sure I haven't entirely lost the knack. Thanks to my hosts WR and L.

 

[bill smith]

I wonder if Bill has realized one of the purposes of making twoofers present a full narrative: It prevents them from skipping around between different and mutually exclusive "anomalies" and arguments. Bill has now made himself unable to use a lot of memes that he used to in the past without branding himself a liar.

Not at all. I have given a bare bones summary in those posts and reserve the right to fill in the gaps.

 

[NoahFence]

Bill - you've contradicted yourself quite a bit. My advice? Cut bait.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

so why do zero of the beams show any thermite damage/are full of melted steel?


how do they get the hundreds of tons of thermite into the building? One or two drums marked paint I can perhaps believe but hundreds of tones with a volume in the hundreds of cubic metres

and how did they get it to get a column to fail and the thermite/molten steel to run out BEFORE the building collapse. Pretty sure the flow rate would not be sufficient and wouldn't lots stick to the insides of the columns? I'd like to see the calcs for that

wouldn't the NYFD and other clear up people notice this so just how many thousands of unpredictable people are we going to have to kill or buy off.......its going to cost billions and be unlikely to work as many folks have these thing called consciences and nothing shuts them up......heck some could tell their story and have it lodged with hundreds of lawyers around the world just in case anything happened to them and not all would have family that they could threaten.....

tell you what, rummy, why don't we just send some dark looking CIA guy to Afghanistan and get him to suggest just flying planes into the towers, pentagon and those ^&%$%^& in the Capitol and let KE and fire do the job with almost zero witnesses/cost/risk ?

 

[bill smith]

My hypothesis says that the bulk of the steel was in the two cavities UNDER the lowest basement floor, one on each side of where the core used to stand. They blew away parts of the lowest basement floor to access the cavities which were built in at the time of construction at the behest of the owner and insurers They are almost certainly stiill there. Any excess would have been cut out with thermal lances.and the two appproximately 7.500 ton ingots concreted over. Nothing to see any more.

( A 7,500 ton ingot will fit nicely in a cylindrical cavity 15 meters deep with radius 4 meters.)

 

[twinstead]

My hypothesis says that the bulk of the steel was in the two cavities UNDER the lowest basement floor, one on each side of where the core used to stand. They blew away parts of the lowest basement floor to access the cavities which were built in at the time of construction at the behest of the insurers and owner They are almost certainly stiill there. Any excess would have been cut out with thermal lances.and the two appproximately 7.500 ton ingots concreted over. Nothing to see any more.

Now all you need is for your narrative to actually match the preponderance of evidence better than the "official story", and you're off and running! Oh wait. All you are doing is making stuff up. There actually isn't actual evidence for any of it.

Crap--I had such high hopes bill.

 

[Oystein]

Full story enough Oystein or is there something else you need to know ?

Ah wonderful, thanks to the mod who split this off to its own thread!
My g/f next door rolls her eyes because she hears me typing. I promise I will look intensely at Bill's attempted full theory when I will next have an hour by myself. Can't promise though that this will happen today or tomorrow.

 

[Loss Leader]

Right now they would never allow such a tall building to be pulled....but in the future ? Maybe.

Congratulations on retrofitting the word "pulled" into a conversation about building demolition that supposedly took place before 9/11/01. Does it have anything to do with Silverstein's quote about the fire department having "pulled" their attempts to save WTC7? I know many truthers tried to claim that "pull" meant the same as "demolish with explosives" even though the word has no such meaning. So, I know it would be helpful for truthers if they were able to confuse the issue and create an equivalency in terms now (in the hopes that people would forget that no such meaning was attached to the word "pull" when it was used).

As far as conspiracies go, thank you for doing your part to help the truther cause by redefining words a decade after they were used. It's this kind of dedication to obfuscation that keeps a movement alive.

 

[DGM]

Ah wonderful, thanks to the mod who split this off to its own thread!
My g/f next door rolls her eyes because she hears me typing. I promise I will look intensely at Bill's attempted full theory when I will next have an hour by myself. Can't promise though that this will happen today or tomorrow.

The "G/F next door" sounds more interesting to me.