Richard Gage Blueprint for Truth Rebuttals on YouTube by Chris Mohr

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The truth is the building (the WHOLE building) started collapsing prior to the penthouse's visible movement, because that couldn't happen without the interior of the building below it collapsing.

I wish the powers that be in NYC had a good freakin' view of the south side during collapse. It would have made this whole stupid topic moot. Well, I assume it would but with liars you don't really know.
 
Anyway, it's not worth the argument to quibble over a few seconds difference. The point is, after the east penthouse collapse the building as a whole began its descent. The descent took 7 to 8 seconds.
Nope, it took 10 seconds. No point in quibbling over a few seconds, right? Except that the freefall claim requires those few seconds. Even splitting the difference and getting 10 secs, as I have for the sake of argument, or so is substantially more than freefall.

Buildings don't do this from penthouse collapses.
I don't think anyone is claiming they did. The official claim is that what caused the penthouse collapse is the same thing that caused the failure of the building as a whole.

They don't even do it from single column failures. :D
You mean the column that failed because of several hours of fire which also turn weakened other columns so they were not able to redistribute the load of the failed column? Or are we talking about some other failed column?
 
Nope, it took 10 seconds. No point in quibbling over a few seconds, right? Except that the freefall claim requires those few seconds. Even splitting the difference and getting 10 secs, as I have for the sake of argument, or so is substantially more than freefall.

No, it doesn't. The free fall claim for WTC 7 is that a free fall rate is measured for 2.5 seconds of its initial descent. The rest of the time it fell at near free fall. Or, in other words, too fast for it to be a natural collapse.

'Free fall' or 'near' free fall really doesn't matter. Steel-framed highrises do not "collapse" that way without having their structural resistance removed. That is why demolition companies exist. Fire doesn't do it, not globally. Never has.
 
Anyway, it's not worth the argument to quibble over a few seconds difference. The point is, after the east penthouse collapse the building as a whole began its descent. The descent took 7 to 8 seconds. Buildings don't do this from penthouse collapses. They don't even do it from single column failures. :D

Two problems.

1. You just made a statement that separated the entire collapse into two stages yet you are ok with Richard Gage selling signs that say "WTC7 - Free Fall Collapse", which is misleading people to believe that the entire building fell at free fall.

2. You just just made a statement that separated the entire collapse into two stages, yet in the same sentence, you still say that the whole building made it's descent. That's like having a cherry pie. I eat half of it first then you eat the other half. Then I go on to say that you ate the whole pie.
 
Never has.

So you can show me other high rise buildings designed like WTC7, caught fire, and still stood? Let's see your examples for us to compare.

So you can show me other high rise buildings designed like the twin towers that were struck by jets in the upper third, caught fire, and still stood? Let's see your examples for us to compare.
 
'Free fall' or 'near' free fall really doesn't matter. Steel-framed highrises do not "collapse" that way without having their structural resistance removed. That is why demolition companies exist. Fire doesn't do it, not globally. Never has.

Normal demolitions arent free fall and in verinage the "structural resistance" isnt removed either.

Apparently according to you an explosive can vaporise (like star trek!) multiple floors at once without even any sound to allow for this free fall. How does that happen?
 
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You folks need to review how buildings are demolished. They don't blow a hole in an upper facade and hope the building will collapse globally and rapidly. They don't pour kerosene into it. They don't light it on fire. They don't remove only a few columns randomly and haphazardly somewhere in the middle of the building and hope the whole building will fail.

No, they systematically take out all the column or bearing wall structure across and through the building, throughout the entire building, or, in the case of non-steel-framed, on several strategic floors. That is how they get rapid, even, global collapse.
 
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You folks need to review how buildings are demolished. They don't blow a hole in an upper facade and hope the building will collapse globally and rapidly. They don't pour kerosene into it. They don't light it on fire. They don't remove only a few columns randomly and haphazardly somewhere in the middle of the building and hope the whole building will fail.

No, they systematically take out all the column or bearing wall structure across and through the building, throughout the entire building, or, in the case of non-steel-framed, on several strategic floors. That is how they get rapid, even, global collapse.

And yet you assert that the WTC collapses look like controlled demolition?

Amazing.
 
No, it doesn't. The free fall claim for WTC 7 is that a free fall rate is measured for 2.5 seconds of its initial descent.
No, the claim is that part of the facade of the building was moving at free fall acceleration for roughly 2.5 secs, as the second stage of three. In the first and third stages, the claim is that it was falling slower than freefall.

The rest of the time it fell at near free fall. Or, in other words, too fast for it to be a natural collapse.
Is this the considered judgement of any authority outside of the Truth movement?

'Free fall' or 'near' free fall really doesn't matter.
Indeed it doesn't. Because free fall speed would not necessarily be an indicator of controlled demo, if it were present, which it is not. The common Truther claim is free fall speed = CD. If you point out that if you include the E. Penthouse, the building took much longer to collapse than FFS, they immediately come up with some rationalization as to why the EP doesn't "count" as part of the building, or ignore it entirely.

Steel-framed highrises do not "collapse" that way without having their structural resistance removed.
Except that free fall doesn't just require removal of structural resistance. It requires removal of all resistance. If you have two objects on the same path falling down, and the one above is moving faster than the one below, it will lose speed when it hits the one below. Unless the structural members, floors, objects, etc. were vaporized, or pushed downwards precisely at the moment of contact with some sort of rocket explosives, it's impossible for them to offer no resistance. If doing it without explosives is impossible, and doing it with is impossible, it's just flat out impossible.

That is why demolition companies exist. Fire doesn't do it, not globally. Never has.
The official claim is that the collapse was progressive, not global, as evidenced, off the top of my head, by the fact that the East Penthouse collapsed before the bulk of the building.

You've already admitted that the EP went down first, which means the rest of the building went down after, which means that the collapse progressed from one area to another.

What's interesting about your obsession with the east penthouse is you never question why it should crumple like that, and then why the entire building descends as a whole as if into quicksand two seconds later.

I think I know why you prefer to make one-liners instead of points. Because you always spew the same Truther half-truths, straw men, and outright falsehoods.

Still no timestamps.
 
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No, they systematically take out all the column or bearing wall structure across and through the building, throughout the entire building, or, in the case of non-steel-framed, on several strategic floors. That is how they get rapid, even, global collapse.

No they don't. You claim there was no resistance in 7 for that period of free fall, therefore you claim that explosives literally vaporised those floors instantly - there one moment gone the next.

The next issue is how did WTC7 collapse neatly into its own footprint while at the same time hit a building accross a 4 lane street?
 
Two problems.

1. You just made a statement that separated the entire collapse into two stages yet you are ok with Richard Gage selling signs that say "WTC7 - Free Fall Collapse", which is misleading people to believe that the entire building fell at free fall.

2. You just just made a statement that separated the entire collapse into two stages, yet in the same sentence, you still say that the whole building made it's descent. That's like having a cherry pie. I eat half of it first then you eat the other half. Then I go on to say that you ate the whole pie.
I love that Ergo can't even keep his BS straight the length of a single sentence.
 
The free fall claim for WTC 7 is that a free fall rate is measured for 2.5 seconds of its initial descent.

Yet you say previously:

The collapse of the building as a whole took 7 - 8 secs.

Which is it? Did it collapse in separate stages like you claim in your first quoted post above or did it collapse all at once in 7 -8 seconds like you claim in your second post above?

You also seem to be avoiding a very important question.

Did WTC7's collapse start with the penthouse or with the facade?
 
You also seem to be avoiding a very important question.

Did WTC7's collapse start with the penthouse or with the facade?

And actually it would haqve started even before that as you can see how those floors below the Penthouse collapsed in an upward progression before the Penthouse falls!
 
Hi gang,

Looks like I'm fixin' the glitch on my YouTube videos, and two more are coming out in the next day or two. #18 is what I consider the best explanation I've ever heard of the freefall collapse of the north perimeter of 8 stories of building 7. And shucks, it's on my little old video. Can't wait to get it posted and see what both sides think of it. It's the most important part of my rebuttal series!
 
I wonder where the helicopter footage of the collapse of WTC7 got to ? I mean according to the OCT they knew well in advance that it was going down. I would have expected loads of footage like that. What do you think Chris ?
 
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