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Craig4 said:
Here's your other problem. You act as if your understanding of the events is equal to mine. Everyone is entitled to have "their side" but not all sides deserve the same level of consideration. You side is irrational based on a lack of evidence, sloppy data collection, a lack of rigor and a poor grasp of the basic facts. My view is better than yours because it's not plagued by these problems. You can't expect that your view is going to be treated as being as valid as mine when you can't support it.

Going back to your numbers, if your view held true for the general population you "side" wouldn't be so ineffectual. Let's face, it this world view of yours has no success stories. There are no new investigations. There are no candidates calling for new investigations. No one has been voted out of office for telling the "official story". If this belief was so rampant you'd have some trophy to hang on the wall.
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I will just make this point. The evidence over a long period shows that if the Architect Richard Gage gave a presentation to the entire Nation, coast to coast that at least 90% of America would believe in the controlled demolition of the WTC Towers on 9/11 How about setting that up ?
 
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I will just make this point. The evidence over a long period shows that if Richard Gage ga've a presentation to the entire Nation, coast to coast that at least 90% of America would believe in the controlled demolition of the WTC Towers on 9/11 How about setting that up ?
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bill smith said:
I will just make this point. The evidence over a long period shows that if the Architect Richard Gage gave a presentation to the entire Nation, coast to coast that at least 90% of America would believe in the controlled demolition of the WTC Towers on 9/11 How about setting that up ?
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Maybe I'm not being clear. The people who see Gage are predisposed to irrational beliefs so therefore it's not a representative sample. You cannot draw any conclusions from your data and apply them to the general population. It's like going to a schizophrenia ward and asking the patients if they hear voices and saying based on the responses 99% of the population hears voices (I'm assuming paranoid schizophrenia here). You need a truly random sampling if you want to apply your findings to the entire population.
 
Craig4 said:
Maybe I'm not being clear. The people who see Gage are predisposed to irrational beliefs so therefore it's not a representative sample. You cannot draw any conclusions from your data and apply them to the general population. It's like going to a schizophrenia ward and asking the patients if they hear voices and saying based on the responses 99% of the population hears voices (I'm assuming paranoid schizophrenia here). You need a truly random sampling if you want to apply your findings to the entire population.
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You are the one making unreasonable assumptions here. (See highlighted text)
 
The people who see Gage are predisposed to irrational beliefs so therefore it's not a representative sample.
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Since its inception, the landing page on Gage's website consists of a great many documented, sourced and proven lies. This is a fact.

Anyone who still thinks anything Gage has to say is the truth, are therefore irrational.
 
Even if "irrational" is removed, the point still holds. The people who would actively go to see a presentation by AE911Truth have a higher percentage of them who consider such theories plausible, at least, than the general population, just like the people who see Transformers 3 have a higher interest than the general population in giant robots and explosions.
 
Clayton Moore said:
When is this guy gonna be suspended for attacks?
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When are you going to answer any single question that has directly been asked of you over the last two months?

When are you going to ever provided sourced and documented support for your idiotic claims?

You seem to love to threaten people with suspensions and reporting them, can't take the heat you're getting? I wonder why. You continue to elude and outright ignore people's direct questions and argue continuosly from ignorance and credulity.

Where's your math?
Where's your sourced support of your claims?
where
where
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000063 said:
Even if "irrational" is removed, the point still holds. The people who would actively go to see a presentation by AE911Truth have a higher percentage of them who consider such theories plausible, at least, than the general population, just like the people who see Transformers 3 have a higher interest than the general population in giant robots and explosions.
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Would you fancy testing it on a national basis ? AAllow Richard Gage to give a nationwide Presentation ?
 
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bill smith said:
You are saying that the architects from the Royal Institute of British Architacts in London who attended the presentation are irrational then ?
You will notice that all bar one do not believe that fire brought down the Towers, Personally I suspect that the journalist David Aaronovitz (a rabid debunker) who also attended the lecture is that one. If so the the bottom line is that NO attending architact at the prestigious RIBA accepts the OCT.
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What they are saying, truth be bold, is that they spend hours, each day, berating people and newcomers who they opine daft.
 
"Nationwide" meaning what, exactly? A special on NatGeo Channel? A congressional address? A roast?
 
bill smith said:
I will just make this point. The evidence over a long period shows that if the Architect Richard Gage gave a presentation to the entire Nation, coast to coast that at least 90% of America would believe in the controlled demolition of the WTC Towers on 9/11 How about setting that up ?
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Um no, when he would start in on his cardboard box exhibition and say those oh so smooth lines of "this is super secret high tech stuff that cd teams don't even know how it was used, frankly niether do we" (from the NG conspiracy doc), they'd all get up and laugh in his face.

AE911Truth has 1507 signees. Of that atleast 20% or so are unlicensed or unregisterd. There are atleast 3-4 LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS on the list. How many engineers are there in the US bud? 1.6 MILLION. How many architects? 140,000!

So ae911truth and all their "facts" and "information" have been able to garner the signatures of less than 1/10th of 1 percent of those Architects and Engineers in THE UNITED STATES ALONE. Yeah...95%? Come on dude, think.
 
Why does Gage need permission? Believe me, if he or anybody else for that matter actually had REAL evidence of inside job it would be NO problem getting a "nationwide presentation".
 
bill smith said:
Would you fancy testing it on a national basis ? AAllow Richard Gage to give a nationwide Presentation ?
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He has had several nationwide presentations.

He's been on National Geographic/History Channel docs regarding this idiocy. Where they gave him freedom to say and spew whatever he wanted.

He was crushed by Mark Roberts on Hardfire with Ron Weick.

He recently debated Chris Mohr, and I assume things didn't go well as ae911truth wont release the dvd of it as was planned so Chris is releasing a series of videos with what they discussed. Thread is still front page.

He's been on nationally syndicated quackpot radio shows such as Alex Jones.

His idiotic ideas are plastered all over youtube.

What you want to give him a Presidential override of all broadcast channels so he can spew his idiocy to everyone at once? Is that what you want? Please. He's had 4+ years to garner support. He's losing his grip on his cash cow as is evidenced by the recent post on thier site practically begging for more money. The "Truth Movement" is over, it's done, it's dead in the water. The facts and science of REALITY can not be overcome no matter how FAITHFULLY you want to believe that it was an inside job. It wasnt. Terrorists hijacked planes and crashed them successfully into 3 of 4 targets casuing the collapse and/or complete destruction of the WTC complex and surrounding buildings in lower Manhattan. Those are the facts and sorry it doesn't fit into your deluded world of controlled demolition and shadow governments, or jews or whoever the hell you think "did it".
 
TjW said:
Allow him? Very well. He's allowed to. Now what?
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That's not a bad point. Richard Gage should start writing registered/notarised letters to the networks demanding airtime on a matter of vital national importance . He has the clout now with well over one thousand architects and engineers signed up to his cause.. If the TV people refuse after he has shown them the presentation and the numbers he can publish their replies. If they do NOT reply he can prove that the letters were sent, and to whom.

Hold their feet to the fire so to speak.

Somebody should give this some serious thought you guys at se911truth,org.
 
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Oz1976 said:
He has had several nationwide presentations.

He's been on National Geographic/History Channel docs regarding this idiocy. Where they gave him freedom to say and spew whatever he wanted.

He was crushed by Mark Roberts on Hardfire with Ron Weick.

He recently debated Chris Mohr, and I assume things didn't go well as ae911truth wont release the dvd of it as was planned so Chris is releasing a series of videos with what they discussed. Thread is still front page.

He's been on nationally syndicated quackpot radio shows such as Alex Jones.

His idiotic ideas are plastered all over youtube.

What you want to give him a Presidential override of all broadcast channels so he can spew his idiocy to everyone at once? Is that what you want? Please. He's had 4+ years to garner support. He's losing his grip on his cash cow as is evidenced by the recent post on thier site practically begging for more money. The "Truth Movement" is over, it's done, it's dead in the water. The facts and science of REALITY can not be overcome no matter how FAITHFULLY you want to believe that it was an inside job. It wasnt. Terrorists hijacked planes and crashed them successfully into 3 of 4 targets casuing the collapse and/or complete destruction of the WTC complex and surrounding buildings in lower Manhattan. Those are the facts and sorry it doesn't fit into your deluded world of controlled demolition and shadow governments, or jews or whoever the hell you think "did it".
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We all saw the hit pieces on TV. As regards the Hardfire show with Mark Roberts and Richard Gage here is Mark's own post on the jref after the show. He doesn;t sound like a very happy bunny does he ? Rightfully so.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3789539&postcount=128
 
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