Richard Gage Blueprint for Truth Rebuttals on YouTube by Chris Mohr

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Bill, another question.

On Richard's site there is a video on the right hand side that shows the collapse of WTC7's facade only. He doesn't include the east penthouse in that clip. Is that an accurate account of the demolition/collapse of WTC7?

Richard also say that one of the "characteristics" of controlled demolition is the "rapid onset of collapse". What is "rapid" about that collapse when it started with the east penthouse. Why is he leaving this part out? Isn't that a little misleading on his part?
 
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chrismohr said:
No one has responded to video 8, where brand new eyewitness testimony from a 9/11 firefighter shows that he and others were looking at NASA thermal images every day for firefighting strategy and safety purposes. His boots on the ground testimony proves that there were no temperatures in excess of 1400 degrees anywhere in the rubble. If there were 3000 degree temperatures, he testified that the thermal expansion of water would have been explosive and that they would have had to stop ouring millions of gallons of water on the fires immediately.
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anywhere? you cant have it both ways! the fema bpat appendix C report shows that the severly corroded steel had to have at least 1000 - 1100C temp for that to happen. do you think this piece of steel lost 15.9 mm before it lay in the rubble pile?
are you starting to see the significance in the Professors opinion that during the fire, this piece of A36 steel lost 15.9mm then buckled as it was attached to the column, not as it lay in the rubble pile.

from a newspaper article:
One piece Dr. Astaneh-Asl saw was a charred horizontal I-beam from 7 World Trade Center, a 47-story skyscraper that collapsed from fire eight hours after the attacks. The beam, so named because its cross-section looks like a capital I, had clearly endured searing temperatures. Parts of the flat top of the I, once five-eighths of an inch thick, had vaporized.
Less clear was whether the beam had been charred after the collapse, as it lay in the pile of burning rubble, or whether it had been engulfed in the fire that led to the building's collapse, which would provide a more telling clue.

The answer lay in the beam's twisted shape. As weight pushed down, the center portion had buckled outward.

''This tells me it buckled while it was attached to the column,'' not as it fell, Dr. Astaneh-Asl said, adding, ''It had burned first, then buckled.''http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/02/s...clues-and-remedies.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
 
bill smith said:
Hi Chris,
I was just looking at some information about Richard Gage's recent presentations in several European countries. When I put the results together they give the undeniable impression that your debunking series has come too late.

Do you really think that this trend/tide can be reversed ?

Cumulative results by show of hands before and after Richard Gage's
june 2011 presentations in Amsterdam,Rotterdam,Bristol,London,Cork
Dublin and Dundalk. 1017 attendees total.

Totals: before : after
I Believe fires brought down the buildings 47 : 2
I am Unsure 148 : 64
I Believe in explosive Controlled Demolition 747 : 951


http://www2.ae911truth.org/speakings.php
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A snake oil salesman relies on the immediate shock and awe of his presentation to make his sale pitch effective. That's the game, simple as that, make the sale and get out of Dodge before the townsfolk figure they were conned and send out a posse after you.

In regards to AE911, once the person gets home and uses the snake oil (Gage's BS) is usually when they realize they have been shanghaied. I wonder how many donations from new believers Gage recieves right after he is done? Probably some, and I'm sure many of them feel pretty gulible later outside of the moment.

Generally, he's preaching to the choir at his siminars, but in the cases of people who are new to this stuff, his sermon seems believable in the immediate moments during and after. The show of hands is lame at best to prove anything other than people want to fit in with the choir. Although when someone with a rational brain thinks about it later on and does minimal research if they are even that interested, will be able to determine Gage and AE911 are a bunch of charlatons.

Bill, do you ever stop and wonder why Gage, Jones, Ryan, et. al., have never received independent confirmation of their nano-thermite samples from a reputable chemistry lab? Why they have never received even one true peer-reviewed paper of their findings, except for some junk "vanity" review boards and the 911journals which is their truther pals signing off? Because it would destroy the illusion. A magician doesn't want anyone to know his tricks, and Gage doesn't want anyone to know his evidence is a fantasy.

It's a traveling scam, nothing more. Bilk what you can and move on to the next bunch of suckers. This is nothing new in society and Gage has perfected his swindle. Keep pissing on the graves of the 9/11 victims Mr. Gage.

With all due respect to Mr. Mohr, he is much too kind to the likes of Richard Gage and his merry band of followers.
 
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RedIbis said:
So you don't agree that the debris piles were "cool".
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You're twisting my words. There were parts of the debris pile that were hot. hot enough to have to wear bunker gear. But, there were parts that shorts and t-shirts could have been worn.

Cool is a relative term anyway.

( I haven't watched Chris' 8th video yet, as I am at work, and my phone is not able to view the video. Takes too long to load)

RedIbis said:
Chris wasn't talking about super-heated gasses. He said "dust."
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Scalding implies heat. I'll have to watch the video.
 
Mikey T said:
A snake oil salesman relies on the immediate shock and awe of his presentation to make his sale pitch effective. That's the game, simple as that, make the sale and get out of Dodge before the townsfolk figure they were conned and send out a posse after you.

In regards to AE911, once the person gets home and uses the snake oil (Gage's BS) is usually when they realize they have been shanghaied. I wonder how many donations from new believers Gage recieves right after he is done? Probably some, and I'm sure many of them feel pretty gulible later outside of the moment.

Generally, he's preaching to the choir at his siminars, but in the cases of people who are new to this stuff, his sermon seems believable in the immediate moments during and after. The show of hands is lame at best to prove anything other than people want to fit in with the choir. Although when someone with a rational brain thinks about it later on and does minimal research if they are even that interested, will be able to determine Gage and AE911 are a bunch of charlatons.

Bill, do you ever stop and wonder why Gage, Jones, Ryan, et. al., have never received independent confirmation of their nano-thermite samples from a reputable chemistry lab? Why they have never received even one true peer-reviewed paper of their findings, except for some junk "vanity" review boards and the 911journals which is their truther pals signing off? Because it would destroy the illusion. A magician doesn't want anyone to know his tricks, and Gage doesn't want anyone to know his evidence is a fantasy.

It's a traveling scam, nothing more. Bilk what you can and move on to the next bunch of suckers. This is nothing new in society and Gage has perfected his swindle. Keep pissing on the graves of the 9/11 victims Mr. Gage.

With all due respect to Mr. Mohr, he is much too kind to the likes of Richard Gage and his merry band of followers.
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I'm not sure that Chris Mohr would agree with your analysis of Richard Gage and his presentation technique and Chris has personal experience of dealing with the man himself.
 
Gamolon said:
Bill, another question.

On Richard's site there is a video on the right hand side that shows the collapse of WTC7's facade only. He doesn't include the east penthouse in that clip. Is that an accurate account of the demolition/collapse of WTC7?
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Not to answer Bill's questions for him, but do you have some other video that shows a part of the building remaining standing as the rest falls? :boggled:

Richard also say that one of the "characteristics" of controlled demolition is the "rapid onset of collapse". What is "rapid" about that collapse when it started with the east penthouse. Why is he leaving this part out? Isn't that a little misleading on his part?
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What is not rapid about it? What is it that bedunkers are imagining about building 7's collapse??
 
bill smith said:
Hi Chris,
I was just looking at some information about Richard Gage's recent presentations in several European countries. When I put the results together they give the undeniable impression that your debunking series has come too late.

Do you really think that this trend/tide can be reversed ?

Cumulative results by show of hands before and after Richard Gage's
june 2011 presentations in Amsterdam,Rotterdam,Bristol,London,Cork
Dublin and Dundalk. 1017 attendees total.

Totals: before : after
I Believe fires brought down the buildings 47 : 2
I am Unsure 148 : 64
I Believe in explosive Controlled Demolition 747 : 951


http://www2.ae911truth.org/speakings.php
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Highlighted numbers indicate 73% of the people attending Dickie's seminars in Europe already bought into the woo before Gage even spoke a word. (preaching to the choir as mentioned above)

Gage convinced 204 new soldiers in 7 cities over a month. Seems like a long way to go to recruit 204 new soldiers, many of whom you have know idea if they were simply being polite at the end of his presentation or will change their minds once they read more about the topic.

The truth movement and their dellusions of grandeur. Math has never been a strong suit.
 
ergo said:
Not to answer Bill's questions for him, but do you have some other video that shows a part of the building remaining standing as the rest falls? :boggled:
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Strawman and shifting the goalposts.

ergo said:
What is not rapid about it? What is it that bedunkers are imagining about building 7's collapse??
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The 7 hours that it took to get to that point. But hey, maybe that's just me..... (10-1 odds says that this video doesn't have the collapse of the penthouse.....)
 
bill smith said:
I'm not sure that Chris Mohr would agree with your analysis of Richard Gage and his presentation technique and Chris has personal experience of dealing with the man himself.
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And as I said. Mr. Mohr is much too kind in my opinion. Mr. Mohr is a decent and respectful man, a pastor, and a family man, and seems to give Richard a benefit of doubt in what his intentions are ultimately, where as I am not willing to do so. After watching Mr. Mohr's videos, I'm beginning to suspect in a very subtle way, that Chris is starting to see Richard for what he really is, but I would never presume to speak for him, nor do I ever expect Chris to disrespectful. I admire this trait in Mr. Mohr, but when it comes to spreading lies, disinformation, distortions of truth, and accusing people of mass murder, I personally tend to get a bit testy.
 
triforcharity said:
Strawman and shifting the goalposts.
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No, it isn't. You don't what a strawman is, nor what shifting the goalposts is. Which is why you do it all the time yourself.

The 7 hours that it took to get to that point. But hey, maybe that's just me..... (10-1 odds says that this video doesn't have the collapse of the penthouse.....)
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'Onset' is referring to the time it began collapse to the time it completed it. :eye-poppi 8 seconds.
 
Mikey T said:
when it comes to spreading lies, disinformation, distortions of truth, and accusing people of mass murder, I personally tend to get a bit testy.
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Me too. I have to really watch what I say here on JREF.
 
I'm not sure that Chris Mohr would agree with your analysis of Richard Gage and his presentation technique and Chris has personal experience of dealing with the man himself
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Chris is a better and more patient person than some. For instance, if I ever ran across that thief, I'd probably kick him in the jewels and watch him free-fall in pain.
 
ergo said:
Not to answer Bill's questions for him, but do you have some other video that shows a part of the building remaining standing as the rest falls? :boggled:
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He doesn't show the entire collapse on his page. This is a well known fact.

What is not rapid about it? What is it that bedunkers are imagining about building 7's collapse??[/QUOTE]

It started collapsing well before the "rapid" global collapse. This is also a well known fact. Not a terrible shock that you'd find the video that doesn't even come close to showing the whole event.
 
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NoahFence said:
He doesn't show the entire collapse on his page. This is a well known fact.
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Please post a link to a more complete video then. Thanks.

It started collapsing well before the "rapid" global collapse. This is also a well known fact.
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No, this is NIST's hypotheses. If you disagree, please provide a source for your claim.
 
The 7 hours that it took to get to that point. But hey, maybe that's just me..... (10-1 odds says that this video doesn't have the collapse of the penthouse.....)
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Before the penthouse, actually - since the building below it needs to get gone before the penthouse. I generally add at least 5 seconds for that.
 
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