Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

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DeathDart said:
Its already begun,

The conspiracy's propaganda minister seems to be experiencing unusually persistent difficulties. He is like Dorian Gray, and people have gotten a good look at his portrait. I believe that his personal graveyard has also gotten flooded, and all his victims coffins are floating up to the surface.
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Argument from cynical delusion and fantasy noted. :rolleyes:
 
Clayton Moore said:
Nothing suspicious about the dogs being removed well before 9/11?
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Or course not, as long as the dogs were in buildings at any point before the collapse long enough to smell explosives or incinerary devices, which they were, and they didn't. Plus, why remove dogs as part of a conspiracy just to have them enter again, and not smell a thing anyway? If this this is the case, then the "NWO" must be fairly incompetent, what makes you think they could have pulled off 911 with this type of carelessness behind the scenes?
 
There's a quantum step from believing something and accepting the possible consequences of coming out.
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Possible consequences? Ask Richard Gage what the consequences are. He gets 75K a year to travel the world. Not too shabby.
 
RedIbis said:
I'm sure LS is really suffering from my comments and that I'll be summoned to court any day now.
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It becomes a legal case only if/when the accused decides to take you to court, or if you decide to take action on it yourself. Libel is by definition a form of defamation regardless of whether any action is taken. It seems unlikely you'll do the latter, like the thousands of other conspiracy proponents who like to accuse people but never prove them or do anything actionable.

Do you think LS should be taken to court for the alleged fraud you claim he's guilty of? Obviously not any more than the countless others who apparently think worse of him than you do. You're still making these statements on a relatively obscure discussion forum where significant legal repercussions are unlikely
 
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Clayton Moore said:
Nothing suspicious about the dogs being removed well before 9/11?
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They weren't, so no.

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We went with 4 of our dogs and handlers. Our main function was US&R, live person, (not cadaver search) but all of our dogs are cross trained in several disciplines, including EDD and Incendiary detection.


They had dogs on a SAR task. I don't think they'd be reacting to explosives.
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They absolutely would. What part of "they are cross trained" do you not understand?
 
Clayton Moore said:
Two workers did step up and say they knew of/observed 3 black boxes being found at the sit of the twin towers.

Eh?
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It has been proven that thier story is quite impossible. The lying sacks of crap have the boxes near the tops of the pile within days, when anybody with a room temp IQ who tried to model the distribution of debris woulkd realize that they should have been pretty near the bottom if outside the footprint or buried a couple yards deep if inside. You would have to have fallen off the short yellow bus to believe that there would have been FBI agents on ATVs in the middle of that crap.
 
Clayton Moore said:
$205 a day travelling? Breakfast, a burger and a room?
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Incorrect. the 75k is personal salary. The form 990 for 2009 of AE911 lists 23k for travel expenses on top of that.
Gage quite surely wasn't travelling 365 days a year.
$205 a day wouldn't be bad at all. Gets you a nice room and nice meals. He probably had more than that available on each day he travelled from travel expenses only.
75k salary came on top of that. A nice salary. About as much as I make from real work with real expertise.

No surprise that you write without being sufficiently informed.
 
Clayton Moore said:
What did happen was three complete and totally destructive collapses that could not have occurred by gravitational energy alone after the fire damage that caused the collapses
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I like how you can't keep your nonsense straight for the length of a sentence. Was it a gravitational collapse, or was it caused by fire? Because the OS claims Plane+Fire for the towers, and debris+mostly fire for 7. You've been corrected on this several times, and it doesn't seem to take.

No evidence of remote control, I see.

DeathDart said:
The NIST report is an embarrassing admission of how thoroughly the material (evidence?) was destroyed.
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You mean the material that was shipped to Staten Island, where much of it remains to this day, and in many cases given away?

Would anyone have any objections to me pulling the legs off of the spider, when I find it?
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I think I know where it is, but I'm not sure you could find it with both hands.

DGM said:
If you were right, why would "under oath" matter? You don't think it's possible to lie "under oath"?

Why don't you stop the "truther" talking points and think for once?
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It's not about justice for them, it's about validation. Subpoena power would mean that someone with Authority actually thought their claims made sense. Truthers then imagine themselves, like Perry Mason or Matlock or Ally McBeal, weaving a web of facts the conspirators can't crawl their way out of, exposing them for all to see.

Logically, though, anyone who's concealed 3000 murders for ten years is just going to lie like a rug on the stand.
 
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NoahFence said:
Goalpost movement in 3......2.......1......
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Clayton Moore said:
There's a quantum step from believing something and accepting the possible consequences of coming out.
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Exactly as predicted.

Clayton Moore said:
Two workers did step up and say they knew of/observed 3 black boxes being found at the sit of the twin towers.

Eh?
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1. No source.
2. Removed by who, when, and how?
3. And boxes that are black being found somewhere in a massive collapsed office building is evidence of what, exactly?
 
Lets do some math shall we? Gage goes out on his "Tours" about once a quarter or so. That means $23,000 divided by 4 or $5,750 per trip. Now lets assume that his "Tour" is a week (7 days) long. He flies out of SFO (San Francisco) to New York (any). Right now Orbitz has a worst case price three months ahead of time of $479 plus taxes so lets call it $600 round trip. That leaves $5,150 for other expenses. Now airport parking at SFO isn't cheap and long term parking is about $20 a day at the expensive (Daily) places so lets just call it $12 a day or $84 at long term parking ($5,066 left over so far). We will assume that he's renting a car and right now the rates for a decent vehicle are about $50 a day so that's $350 ($4,716 left) and parking in NYC ain't cheap either so lets add another $30 a day ($210) for parking ($4,506 left). Keeping in mind that a seven day trip is actually six nights of lodging he has about $640 to $750 PER DAY remaining for food, lodging and misc. expenses.

That ain't a Motel Six and McDonalds budget, even in NYC (assuming that he stayed in NYC for all six nights, he does have a car to travel around the tri-state area) the room and board rates can be a lot less (by at least half) when you get about an hour or so out of NYC proper. You truthers are being scammed so hard and we are laughing at all of you suckers.

Oh yeah, don't forget about his $75,000 salary on top of that ($300 a day before taxes) that you suckers give him just to occasionally talk on the phone and update his website once a month.
 
Clayton Moore said:
There's a quantum step from believing something and accepting the possible consequences of coming out.
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Really? So the AE911Truth team are all just couragious heros and the other 1.6 MILLION engineers in the UNITED STATES ALONE are all just cowards right? No, you're wrong. Simple as that. You're paranoid delusional fantasies of what occured on 911 are even more wrong.
 
Mikey T said:
And Richard Gage and the "1500 Architechs and Engineers" are still employeed in their professions and are still alive today because....?

Clayton, your faith in mankind is troubling and highly dellusional. Do you really believe that thousands of good honest Americans (including many foreigners) who worked on the investigation of 9/11 would keep their mouths shut if they believed they had hard evidence to show 9/11 was an inside jobby job? All of the hundreds of professionals that were assigned to NIST's investigation of the collapse of the WTC and building 7 could have be "silenced"? All of the people who lost their comrades that day could be "silenced"?

Dude, you've seen waaaaaaay too many movies.
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Actually I'm fairly certain Dick Gage no longer works at all as an architect nor has he in atleast 4-5 years.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Nothing suspicious about the dogs being removed well before 9/11?

We went with 4 of our dogs and handlers. Our main function was US&R, live person, (not cadaver search) but all of our dogs are cross trained in several disciplines, including EDD and Incendiary detection.


They had dogs on a SAR task. I don't think they'd be reacting to explosives.
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You think all the dogs were removed huh? What about Officer David Lim and his canine Sirius, that died in the WTC 2 collapse? Guess he didn't get the memo.
 
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