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Christopher7 said:
100 feet of free fall acceleration.
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You can't just call stuff evidence and make it be evidence. It has to be, you know, REAL evidence. The short period of free fall is explained to my satisfaction sans explosives.

You disagree. Neither of us is an expert. What do THE EXPERTS have to say about it?
 
They had covered all the other priorities and could consider fighting the fires in WTC 7.

There was water available to fight the 2 fires in WTC 7.

They had firefighters to fight the fires.

Chief Fellini ordered a group of firefighters to fight the fires.

An engineer told them that the building was in danger of collapsing.

That is why they did not fight the fires but we have spent 10 - 20 pages of double talk and denial of the first three facts above.
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The first three facts are rendered irrelevant due to the fact that the building was in danger of collapse. And lo and behold, it DID.
 
You conveniently forgot the point which is:
The fires on floors 8 and 9 started sometime after 1:30 p.m.
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Again, the reality flies right over your head.

Fires on floor 7 - confirmed by everyone.

Fires on floor 7 were not put out due to the FACT that the building was in danger of collapse.

so...what do you suppose could happen to said fire? It puts itself out? No.

IT GROWS

Looks like it moved to the 8th floor. Savvy?
 
uke2se said:
So why did the penthouse fall first?
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My guess is that the building was so tall they had to create a hole in order to get the building to fall in on itself. Every CD is unique to the design of the building, and apparently, clearing out the east end was the best solution.

Also, how would the explosives have been rigged?
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Surly you jest. How the hell am I supposed to know? That's a job for experts with complete knowledge of the thousand different kinds of explosives and the latest secret developments in the nano-thermite field.

Do you think that "They" could guarantee that the fire wouldn't spread to the floors with explosives? Are you sure you have thought this through?
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I'm sure they did. ;)

I can look at the results and accept that the only possibility for 100 feet of free fall acceleration is to REMOVE all the supporting structure on 7 to 8 floors.

You can't accept that. No worries mate.
 
Christopher7 said:
The CIA, FBI and Secret Service would have access if they wanted it and all you know is what NIST tells us. You are willing to accept what NIST says without question, I am not.
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I know what the fire department would tell the FBI or CIA or Secret Service.


"Piss off. Nobody goes in there."
 
Christopher7 said:
My guess is that the building was so tall they had to create a hole in order to get the building to fall in on itself. Every CD is unique to the design of the building, and apparently, clearing out the east end was the best solution.
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Do you have any evidence (that is, proper evidence) that this happened?

Christopher7 said:
Surly you jest. How the hell am I supposed to know? That's a job for experts with complete knowledge of the thousand different kinds of explosives and the latest secret developments in the nano-thermite field.
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I was looking for a window of opportunity. When and where, with evidence.

Christopher7 said:
I'm sure they did. ;)
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How are you sure? Do you have any evidence? Can you put forth a method for containing fire without any kind of firefighting effort?

Christopher7 said:
I can look at the results and accept that the only possibility for 100 feet of free fall acceleration is to REMOVE all the supporting structure on 7 to 8 floors.
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And you personally don't feel that the many expert structural engineers that have explained this have done a good enough job to convince you - the carpenter?

Christopher7 said:
You can't accept that. No worries mate.
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I accept rational explanations with supporting evidence. Your explanation is neither rational nor supported by evidence.
 
Christopher7 said:
No

No

But the debris damage did not cause the collapse, nor did the fire on floor 12.
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The debris damage had no real impact on collapse initiation but it was definitely relevant to the collapse. I think you need to learn what words mean.
 
Christopher7 said:
My guess is that the building was so tall they had to create a hole in order to get the building to fall in on itself. Every CD is unique to the design of the building, and apparently, clearing out the east end was the best solution.

Surly you jest. How the hell am I supposed to know? That's a job for experts with complete knowledge of the thousand different kinds of explosives and the latest secret developments in the nano-thermite field.

I'm sure they did. ;)

I can look at the results and accept that the only possibility for 100 feet of free fall acceleration is to REMOVE all the supporting structure on 7 to 8 floors.

You can't accept that. No worries mate.
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No. I would call this an extreme leap of faith similarly witnessed in most religions of the world. This is why you are stuck in reverse, because this has become your ideology, not your rational thought processes.
 
Christopher7 said:
There were normal office fires burning on floors 7 and 12. Get it thru your head that I did not make the call, NIST did. They said the moment frames redistributed the loads around the debris damage area. This was self evident on 9/11. An engineer would be able to see and understand that when a firefighter might not.

Wrong

By 1:00 p.m., the fires on floors 19, 22, 29 and 30 had burned out.

At 2:00 p.m., there were fires on floors 7 and 12.

At 3:00 p.m., there were fires on floors 7, 11, 12, and 13.

At 4:00 p.m., there were fires on floors 7, 8, 9, 11, 12 and 13.

At 5:00 p.m., the only visible fires were on floors 11 and 13.
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I didn't know that offices normally had a fire in them!!!
 
This video shows a "normal" office fire.



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This video shows the effect called "flashover" which is when all combustible materials in an enclosed room simultaneously catch fire, after the room temperature has reached the autoignition point for the materials. This is also what is considered "normal" in a fire. Note that this video was made by NIST, so they probably made it just to mess with Chris's head.



I would like for Chris to explain the difference between this fire and the fire that he claims the "official story" needs for its narrative.
 
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Christopher7 said:
How the hell am I supposed to know? That's a job for experts with complete knowledge of the thousand different kinds of explosives and the latest secret developments in the nano-thermite field.
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Then you have no evidence in any sense of the word. The experts say you're full of beans. In order to prove that anything happened, you need to present physical evidence consistant with the events that followed from that crime.

There were no sounds consistant with explosive demolition recorded anywhere, at any time the whole bleeding day.

I can look at the results and accept that the only possibility for 100 feet of free fall acceleration is to REMOVE all the supporting structure on 7 to 8 floors.
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But then you would have to prove that the walls didn't just break under the weight of the falling structure above them. From everything I have seen, the rater of downward acceleration was not consistant throughout collapse. This is inconsistant with any sort of explosive charge not crafted out of unicorn poo.
 
Christopher7 said:
NIST 1-9 Page 300
[FONT=&quot]"They did not observe any fires at this time on the 8th floor or 9th floor"

This was about 1:15 to 1:30 p.m.
The fire on floor 8 first appeared on the north face at about 3:40 p.m.
The fire on floor 9 first appeared on the north face shortly before 4:00 p.m.[/FONT]
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Quote miner and liar with absolutely no credibility.

From Page 299 of the same report.
"Between 11:00 a.in. and 12:00 noon, approximately 40 FDNY members arrived at WTC 7 with orders to put the fires out inside WTC 7.1S Inside they surveyed conditions and reported seeing small fires in debris in the core area and on the west side of the same floor of the building. They did not identify the floor where they observed this."

"Multiple FDNY personnel reported seeing fires in WTC 7 from the exterior, some as early as about 11:00 a.m. Fires were observed on the west face around Floor 10, and several fires were seen higher up in the building, around the 20s and 30s. These fires were seen from Vesey and West Street. A firefighter reported seeing fire near the center of the south face around Floor 14, which appeared to be a single office fire. Windows were broken, and smoke and fire were coming out of the building."
 
Christopher7 said:
No, The building did not collapse from the debris damage. The loads were redistributed by the moment frames. An engineer would have known that.
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Liar. It took years of analysis, computer modeling, and dozens of experts to reach that conclusion. No on-site engineer could have made that determination.


The collapse that NIST said happened, could not have been foreseen.
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That fire could cause the building collapse..........lots of people foresaw that.
 
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