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You said the things underground weren't affected by acid. You also state that nobody investigated the steel. So how the hell can you know what's underground and what's not?

Give it up.

Oh a straw man argument I almost let it slip past. People were TRYING to investigate, a lot more powerful people controlled the resources they needed and were trying to stop them.

The people hiding and destroying the evidence out resourced the people trying to investigate.

Inventory less than 1% of either building.

Score Arsonists 99.5 Investigators .5
 
Oh a straw man argument I almost let it slip past. People were TRYING to investigate, a lot more powerful people controlled the resources they needed and were trying to stop them.

The people hiding and destroying the evidence out resourced the people trying to investigate.

Inventory less than 1% of either building.

Score Arsonists 99.5 Investigators .5

And of course you can provide some evidence for your bare assertion?

ETA: You also need to look up the definition of strawman. It doesn't mean what you think it means.
 
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Oh a straw man argument I almost let it slip past. People were TRYING to investigate, a lot more powerful people controlled the resources they needed and were trying to stop them.

The people hiding and destroying the evidence out resourced the people trying to investigate.

Pure unbridled speculation (your forte).
 
Ha,
I have a forte! Whats a forte?

It wasn't Hush a Boom, it was thermally accelerated acid. But one of you already knew that. The hydrogen gas would melt steel in the ground. The acid reaction doesn't generate enough heat to melt steel directly.

The building may have been prepped for a conventional insurance scam. The chemical acid (sulfur based?) is applied as a (jell?) to the heat insulation in the core areas of the building and along the elevator shafts. At room temperature the reaction is very slow. This would also give off a minor sulfur smell which would be masked later by burning electrical insulation and other materials.

WTC 7 was how it was supposed to work, no one was killed in WTC 7.

They didn't know about the planes. This was supposed to be a regular torch job. Securacom has Israeli connections but seemed to operating as a purely criminal enterprise.

Your skepticism is revealing the true nature of the twisted genius we are dealing with, Dr. Watson.
 
Ha,
I have a forte! Whats a forte?

It wasn't Hush a Boom, it was thermally accelerated acid. ...
What idiot in 911 truth made up this delusion? How do you find all these moronic claims? Good find, I have not seen 911 truth spew something this stupid for weeks.
 
Your skepticism is revealing the true nature of the twisted genius we are dealing with, Dr. Watson.

Uh, my skepticism is based on the fact that you have absolutely NO evidence to back up your assertions, yet you accept them as fact without question. That, Sherlock, is not the mark of a rational mind.
 
Why wouldn't an acid jell work as described?

The World Trade Towers WERE past their economic prime.

Since they are obvious terrorists targets, that makes arson even easier.

They would have preferred to have the WTC1 and WTC2 fall on the other buildings.

Some of the arsonists may have been killed, since it looks like their schedule and the hijackers overlapped. An indication were the white vans that keep showing up all over the place. Yes, I know there are white vans everywhere,
 
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The World Trade Towers WERE past their economic prime.

You keep saying this. Why? They were like 85% occupied (that really good BTW). They didn't have to do anything about "asbestos". Those buildings had at least another 70+ years in them.
 
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Why wouldn't an acid jell work as described?

The World Trade Towers WERE past their economic prime.

Since they are obvious terrorists targets, that makes arson even easier.

They would have preferred to have the WTC1 and WTC2 fall on the other buildings.

Some of the arsonists may have been killed, since it looks like their schedule and the hijackers overlapped. An indication were the white vans that keep showing up all over the place. Yes, I know there are white vans everywhere,
You have delusions, why do you spread lies and nonsense at a skeptic forum.
 
Why wouldn't an acid jell work as described?

The World Trade Towers WERE past their economic prime.

Since they are obvious terrorists targets, that makes arson even easier.

They would have preferred to have the WTC1 and WTC2 fall on the other buildings.

Some of the arsonists may have been killed, since it looks like their schedule and the hijackers overlapped. An indication were the white vans that keep showing up all over the place. Yes, I know there are white vans everywhere,

See, that's the problem with paranoia and schizophrenia; those afflicted rarely realize it.
 
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The Empire State building is 80 years old and loaded with asbestos. Is that "past it's economic prime"?

I could make a list a mile long. The WTC towers died when they were babies.
 
,,, and if {insert favorite football team's name} had {insert type of play} instead of going for the field goal they would have won the game.

FACT is Clayton they determined that it was not worth the risk to personell and did not keep men in the building.

Chris and Clayton, YES it is determined years after the fact with all the data and structural details of the building in hand to say that the impact damage to the structure was not sufficient to cause a global collapse. We KNOW for certain that there were partial collapses , just look at pictures of the SW corner. There was ample evidence that a partial collapse could occur at any time especially in the lower SW part of the building.
Chris attributes magical prescience to engineers in saying that one would just know by looking at the building that it would not collapse (partially or globally) and risk further FDNY deaths.

Another oddity in Chris' statements is that he says no Chief actually said they had other priorities for the water supply yet is quite content to read into a line of text that there was enough water and personell to fight the fires in WTC 7, that does not actually say so.
Instead what it says is that at that time they could consider the possibility of fighting WTC 7. NIST cites an interview with the Chiefs about the discussion at this time in which the do consider the possibility and then DECIDE not to do it!
End of story,,,, except Chris has alluded to NIST simply fabricating this interview,,, indicating that the Chiefs have for some unexplanable reason simply allowed this lie to be told on their behalf.

oooohhhh but Chris is not saying that the Chiefs are cowards,,, no they are faced with a Serpico style choice and all choose silence.

I asked Chris how the supposed conspirators could be willing to pin their very lives on these men keeping their silence FOREVER.

No answer.

Chris 7's ideology has him grasping at straws like never before.

Serpico didn't keep silent so it's a really bad example.
 
I'm back.
I had to bury something that didn't want to be buried.

The World Trade Center was old it was having a lot of issues with maintenance and asbestos. Occupancy was in decline. This does fit the pattern for property to be used in an arson for profit scheme.

Securacom has deactivated the security cameras so that the movement of men and materials is not documented.

It wasn't Hush a Boom, it was thermally accelerated acid. But one of you already knew that.

The building may have been prepped for a conventional insurance scam. The chemical acid (sulfur based?) is applied as a (jell?) to the heat insulation in the core areas of the building and along the elevator shafts. At room temperature the reaction is very slow. This would also give off a minor sulfur smell, which would be masked by burning electrical insulation and other materials when the fire began.

Combined with the heat from a fire, the chemical reaction proceeds much more rapidly. Under typical fire conditions it would have took much longer than an hour for the buildings to collapse. The arson plan might have took as much as a day for the fires, along with the acid, to collapse the buildings.

The time it took WTC 7 to collapse was probably closer to the expected amount of time.

Once the building collapsed the debris pile became a huge hydrogen generator. The acid releases hydrogen after reacting with metals like steel and aluminum. The flame temperature of hydrogen burning in a air mixture is 2483K or 2210C. At some places under the rubble there are active hydrogen fires near concentrations of steel. The hydrogen-air flame is hot enough to melt steel. The steel is melted while it is in the ground.

The removal of steel before examination makes much more sense now. The core would have been visibly damaged by a corrosive substance. Some steel matching this description was recovered. This would also explain the quick (and pre-planned) response of the companies removing the steel.

The people prepping the building would be under the impression that their arson would cause only a few casualties. They did not know about the planes!

Securacom would not have any security video of passengers boarding the planes, because they thought they were just covering up some much lesser crime. So the while the Securacom people were probably criminal, they were also ignorant of the real goals of this plan.

This significantly reduces the number of people who knew about 9-11 ahead of time.

But who, or what, is the Spider at the center of this web pulling on all the threads?

Spidy did it?:jaw-dropp
 
Why K-Tel?
You are correct, I thought Kabuki was a static art form and not as dynamic as it is.

This explains WTC 7 and reduces the number of central conspirators considerably.

It explains the high temperatures that could not be accounted for and the molten steel.
It explains why the steel was removed before inspection.

They dipped it out in buckets?
 
The official story is told by liars.

W, Cheney, and especially the myth maker Philip D. Zelikow.

I understand that you are not pawns, but you may not have had as much exposure to corruption as I have. Sometimes the most cynical mind still can't grasp how bold corruption can be.

When liars say something, it doesn't take much of a skeptic to doubt it.
 
The official story is told by liars.

W, Cheney, and especially the myth maker Philip D. Zelikow.

I understand that you are not pawns, but you may not have had as much exposure to corruption as I have. Sometimes the most cynical mind still can't grasp how bold corruption can be.

When liars say something, it doesn't take much of a skeptic to doubt it.
And off he flies .



:rolleyes:
 
The investigators NEVER CONTROLLED THE SITE.

The FBI Suits and Giuliani's Goons controlled the Site. You mention one investigator being on the site, when you need to have at least 1 investigator Per Truck in order not to get shell gamed. A lot of people at the site and in those trucks were members of organized crime.

Oh, you say the construction industry in NEW YORK CITY is squeaky clean. They would not have any problems deceiving a lone investigator, or several.

The people (mostly volunteers at first) who were analyzing the steel were kept off site.

This was a criminal enterprise up to their neck in something that they didn't understand.

In order to know that you must be up to your neck in organized crime. Just what were you burying?
 
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