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Hmmmm I thought I just rang the dinner bell for you wolves. Special on pre-sliced truther.
 
Yeah I am certain that Freeh hated computers, and high certainty that he was a useful idiot. Being a useful idiot I would not need proof that he was aware of the long term plans. Proof of knowledge of the goals, is incompatible with being a useful idiot.
 
DeathDart said:
Were are preparation before 9-11 adequate?

If the preparations were insufficient who was responsible?

Don't use the excuse that they couldn't have predicted it.

It was predicted by different people, but wouldn't fly with management. I believe I remember this occurring at one of the Intelligence groups. The manager who shot it down was one of the people squawking the loudest, that they couldn't have predicted it. I think he got promoted. If someone could help me on this one, thanks
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If you mean airport security, no.

If you mean an SOP and a set of ROE for the shooting down of unarmed civilian aircraft, we didn't have one then, and I'm betting whatever we have now doesn't make anyone happy in advance, and for sure nobody will be happy if those ROE are ever used.
 
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One theme I keep running into is incompetence and suppression of possibilities was a good way to get promoted.

I believe another poster referred to me as a useful idiot.

Bush was not smart enough, but Bush did have Rove, Rumsfield, Cheney, Pearl, and Feith +misc.

I will define a useful idiot a person who doesn't need to know what we are really using him for. A general lack of intelligence may not be as useful as a personally quirk that can be exploited.

Louis J. Freeh hated computers and directly from this flaw can be traced the FBI's inability to properly handle information. So when all the warnings came, the system had a lot of excuses for ignoring them.

I have no proof about Freeh, but he was in Bush the Elders stable when he was appointed by Clinton. Who had oversight over the FBI and why didn't they get wind of the dysfunctional situation unwinding in the FBI? About this time mid (1990's) oversight committees were also changing personnel.

I had a frightening thought several years ago (yes, thoughts frighten me), I began to suspect some very long term planning, and the existence of at least one mind more powerful and more cunning than mine.
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Enjoy the meal it will be the first of many, I can't take myself too seriously.

What kind of ratios would be necessary between evil geniuses and useful idiots in a conspiracy that began, after say the Roswell crash, or the early 1980's to the present.

Though I admit it it really depends on the useful idiot. Douglas Feith wouldn't survive long without a lot of help from High placed superiors. On his own, once people realized he was the a poster child for education not being able to do anything about being STUPID, he was toast.
 
DeathDart said:
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What is missing from the 9-11 report?

The 19 did have external help, why attack the Taliban if they didn't?

Osama Bin Laden was killed in Pakistan.

We succeeded because we didn't tell the Pakistanis that we were going to play Whack a Mole in their country.
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Well atleast you believe Osama Bin Laden was recently killed in Pakistan and that he was an actual terrorist and not a CIA agent...I guess that puts you a step above 50% of the other Truthers out there...
 
Actually one of the minds that is stronger is Philip D. Zelikow.

Episode I: The Phantom Menace
Zelikow combined his knowledge of public mythology with his knowledge of the so-called threat of terrorism. In 1998, Zelikow co-authored a report with Ashton B. Carter and John M. Deutch called "Catastrophic Terrorism: Elements of a National Policy,"

He is an expert in understanding and creating Myths. He was able to head fake a lot of the witnesses into thinking that their information was going to be included. He has one slipperiest minds around.

Episode II: Attack of the Clones,
So an expert on Myths was the Director who wrote much of the 9-11 Commission report.

The war in Iraq was a way to use the military as hostages for an Executive power play.

The intelligence organizations are pretty much wrecked, they are only starting to get it together now.

Episode III: Revenge of the Sith
Because this isn't really the movies, it didn't exactly follow the course of the movies.

It ran into a delay. Democracy still existed in America, and America elected Barack Hussein Obama.

The intelligence organizations also had a grudge to settle with the Loyal Bushies.

It took a while for these two to learn how to play nice.

They thought that Leiter of the NCTC and the underwear bomber would create the incident that would be the excuse for removing Obama. Luck raised it's ugly head.

After Bin Laden it looks like the Republicans will have to deal with Obama and not the much easier Biden.

Plus the I.C. and Obama both discovered that the Sith really existed.

So much for the deranged mutterings of a brain damaged polymath.
 
DeathDart said:
They destroyed the evidence to make sure that no other story would have support. >99% of the buildings no longer exist, to me that is destroyed.
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Um...go visit Hangar 17 at JFK airport in New York and then come back here and retract this fallacy of a statement.

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The buildings falling down, the missile at the pentagon, are pretty much irrelevant. You can argue yourself blue. The official story has the only evidence when it comes to the WTC. When you look at the evidence, it is incredibly spotty. But with the majority of the evidence that could change that story destroyed, no alternate story is possible .
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Again, evidence wasn't destroyed. Get your facts straight. There was no missile at the Pentagon it was flight 77, a Boeing 757 aircraft. No evidence points to anything other than a gravity collapse of the twin towers and a progressive collapse of building 7 and utterly getting squashed of buildings 3,5, and 6.

DeathDart said:
This technique was repeated in going to war with Iraq. Except in Iraq they could not destroy all the evidence. Valerie Plame was part of the Blow Back on that one.
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huh? These "agents" could pull off 911 with such acute detail, yet...they couldn't plant ONE, NOT ONE WMD in Iraq? Not one chemical weapon, not one tactical nuke, nothing...

DeathDart said:
The evidence will lead to the truth. Those who were blocking access (and I am not talking about this forum), are slowly being removed and replaced by Obama.
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The truth is actually already known, atleast the stuff that matters. Sorry you didn't get the memo.

DeathDart said:
The day when, (not if), it cracks, will go down as one of the most important days in American history. Important, but not happy.
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Sorry...it's not gonna crack, pretty certain 10 years later you're just plain wrong.

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I don't think when the complete story is told, it will make anybody happy.
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The complete story has been told. We may be missing a minor nuance here or there. Maybe a name of someone else who screwed up in communication somewhere along the line. But if there were going to be any whistleblowers, there'd already have been one. And 10 years later, not one. You can keep dreaming though, it's all you can do really.
 
Don't worry these are just the ravings of a lunatic.

Do you know any good Knock Knock jokes?
 
DeathDart said:
Don't worry these are just the ravings of a lunatic.

Do you know any good Knock Knock jokes?
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Lunatic? Maybe, maybe not. I just think you need to educate yourself about some of these questions you seem to have, there's information availible for nearly every question you have raised and just go from there. No offense intended.

As far as Knock Knock jokes I believe Navy Seal Team Six have some excellent ones.
 
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The last information I had on flight 93 is that their 4th best pilot lost control and crashed it. No indications of a struggle in the cockpit. I believe one of the flight recorders survived, showing the maneuver history. Just bad piloting.
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You failed to get this right. The CVR supports the Passengers taking action and the pilot flew the plane into the ground. Anyone can fly a large jet, and the terrorist had no problem flying it before the attack on the cockpit. When attacked the terrorist pilot pulled 3 to 4 gs and flew erratic to keep the Passengers from attacking, and the terrorist discussed ending it before the Passengers could take back the plane. It is clearly seen in the FDR the terrorist flew the jet into the ground. You failed to check the FDR and read the transcript of the CVR. Big failure, nearly 10 years to figure this out and you failed. Better try harder next time.

If the pilot was going to loose it, he would have crashed in the turn back toward the east. Why are you so bad at 911 knowledge? Add flying and 911 to things you need to learn about.
 
Clayton Moore said:
That's it in one of the nutshells. That's why the change was made in June of 2001 to the response procedure.
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Exactly what changed? Not a darn thing for emergencies. Hope you have not fallen for lies, made up to mislead those who can't think for themselves.
 
Oz1976 said:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/07/02/georgia.swamp.fire/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn

70 days and counting, above ground fire having burned over 200,000 acre's shared by Florida and Georgia...

It's above ground and they can't control it with all that water we have...man...
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http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/07/02/georgia.swamp.fire/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn

While the Okefenokee is best known for its swamp, this moisture has done little to prevent further destruction. One major reason is that the region is in the third year of a drought, significantly decreasing water levels in the region.

Another complication is the terrain: The swamp makes it hard for bulldozers and engines to penetrate into certain areas. Curry said six helicopters and 76 fire engines have been assigned to fight the blaze.

"Accessibility is a problem, and you don't want to upset the water flows," the spokesman said of the sensitive environmental area.
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I think each of the three WTC buildings that collapsed and their associated "99" day fires were about an acre.
 
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