Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

[Craig4]

The viciousness of the swarm, spending hours 24/7 insisting the three collapses were not some sort of controlled demolitions, always reassures me that I am correct and fighting the good fight.

Where's the explosive residue?

 

[Clayton Moore]

MMQ syndrome is prevelent in nearly every aspect of the truth movement's arguments, some areas more than others. Most areas where MMQing is tattooed on their foreheads are in the opinions concerning the CIA, FBI, and the White House and their dropping the ball months or even years prior to the attacks. Were there thousands of leads, thousands of suspects, thousands of opinions, thousands of threats, and thousands of possibilites to sort though to find that needle in the haystack? Yep, and well documented interagency turf wars weren't helping matters. Were the CIA, FBI, and the White House incompetent? Absolutly. However, these incompetentcy issues get twisted around to show a cover up in the minds of conspiracy theorists, where as in reality it was just simply a bunch of beaurcrats covering the rear ends when the feces hit the fan while the 9/11 commission performed their duties. The 9/11 commission findings were focused to fix the problems, not to go on a witch hunt and point fingers, which distresses the truthers to this day because nobody got hung out to dry. For once, politicans got it right in my opinion.

As far as MMQing, don't even get me started on the FAA and NORAD opines.

Actually the mmqing is the bread and butter of the trusters explanations of outrageous coincidence.

Out of the hat, to put it politely.

- Novice pilot performs impossible/improbable maneuvers with the Pentagon plane.

I hear here that flying an airliner is no great shakes and it's basically, after a tight maneuver at over 300 MPH, a point and hit the Pentagon cleanly without disturbing the lawn.

-Three WTC buildings collapse pulverized.

I hear gravity collapse destroyed undamaged areas of each building.


-Much of the Air Force is participating in war games under the direction of Cheney.

I hear Rumsfeld is in charge of the Military.

And on and on.

 

[Tricky]

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[tsig]

Actually the mmqing is the bread and butter of the trusters explanations of outrageous coincidence.

Out of the hat, to put it politely.

- Novice pilot performs impossible/improbable maneuvers with the Pentagon plane.

I hear here that flying an airliner is no great shakes and it's basically, after a tight maneuver at over 300 MPH, a point and hit the Pentagon cleanly without disturbing the lawn.

-Three WTC buildings collapse pulverized.

I hear gravity collapse destroyed undamaged areas of each building.


-Much of the Air Force is participating in war games under the direction of Cheney.

I hear Rumsfeld is in charge of the Military.

And on and on.

Don't stop believing, it's a long Journey to Truth.

 

[Animal]

Actually the mmqing is the bread and butter of the trusters explanations of outrageous coincidence.

Out of the hat, to put it politely.

- Novice pilot performs impossible/improbable maneuvers with the Pentagon plane.

I hear here that flying an airliner is no great shakes and it's basically, after a tight maneuver at over 300 MPH, a point and hit the Pentagon cleanly without disturbing the lawn.

-Three WTC buildings collapse pulverized.

I hear gravity collapse destroyed undamaged areas of each building.


-Much of the Air Force is participating in war games under the direction of Cheney.

I hear Rumsfeld is in charge of the Military.

And on and on.

You "hear" a lot of things wrong.......obviously..........but keep the faith.......the entertainment value in priceless.

 

[000063]

Christopher7, their questions and comments have little relevance. You can liken their blurbing to what happens before you pin the tail on the donkey.

Clay, I sincerely and non-sardonically advise you not to make any metaphors involving yourself where something is compared to an ass.

 

[000063]

So, when did they start putting other buildings in 7WTC's footprint?

About the same time Truthers explain how much would need to be outside of the footprint for it not to be evidence of a CD. You know, falsifiability.

 

[Oz1976]

Tell that hogwash to a person outside the US, beyond the American MSM 9/11 blackout, they'll laugh at you for a week.

http://www.bastison.net/

Yeap, the whole world...guess the French don't count as anyone outside the US...

 

[Oz1976]

The viciousness of the swarm, spending hours 24/7 insisting the three collapses were not some sort of controlled demolitions, always reassures me that I am correct and fighting the good fight.

You're not fighting any fight Clayton. Not one of your posts has had any factually sourced information to back them up. You've not answered ANY questions directly posed to you. None. You ignore them. You're doing nothing but spewing nonsense and 7 year old long debunked memes and myths.

To "fight the good fight" you must actually DO something, you've done NOTHING. You haven't even provided a concise narrative of the events that day that can be backed up with facts. You have conjecture, credulity and ignorance, nothing more.

 

[sylvan8798]

I hear gravity collapse destroyed undamaged areas of each building.

You say the funniest things .

 

[TJM]

The viciousness of the swarm, spending hours 24/7 insisting the three collapses were not some sort of controlled demolitions, always reassures me that I am correct and fighting the good fight.

You make me sad. So be it. Come, Patsy.

 

[dafydd]

You're not fighting any fight Clayton. Not one of your posts has had any factually sourced information to back them up. You've not answered ANY questions directly posed to you. None. You ignore them. You're doing nothing but spewing nonsense and 7 year old long debunked memes and myths.

To "fight the good fight" you must actually DO something, you've done NOTHING. You haven't even provided a concise narrative of the events that day that can be backed up with facts. You have conjecture, credulity and ignorance, nothing more.

Fighting the good fight parked on a chair in his parents basement while gorging on pizza. Very funny.

 

[leftysergeant]

Novice pilot performs impossible/improbable maneuvers with the Pentagon plane.

The maneuvers were not that hard. It is just unheard of for an airliner to fly like that, because it damages the airframe and bounces the passengers around and makes them lose their lunch.

(Like Hani really gave a rat's.)

I hear here that flying an airliner is no great shakes and it's basically, after a tight maneuver at over 300 MPH, a point and hit the Pentagon cleanly without disturbing the lawn.

This is true. Taking off and landing in a manner that the aircraft can be used again are challenging. And what the hell is this obsession with the lawn? He may not have even planned on hitting the side of the building.

I'm role-playing this in my head right now, from Hani's perspective. Those walls look hard and fire proof. I'm going to put it down on the roof so i can spread fires through five or six rings.

As it was, he very nearly did hit the ground, but bounced a bit on the generator and the cable spools in front of the building.

-Three WTC buildings collapse pulverized.

Tell that to the iron workers and fire fighters who were on the pile for the next couple of months.

I hear gravity collapse destroyed undamaged areas of each building.

Much of the Air Force is participating in war games under the direction of Cheney.

Can you document that?

I hear Rumsfeld is in charge of the Military.

And a totally crappy job he did of it. He did not have as many adirers in uniform as one would expect of a Sec Def in a time of war. The general consensus is that he was one of the worst ever in that position.

Didn't give a rat's about the welfare of the soldiers and one bloody rotten strategist.

I don't think the senile old coot had the brains to coordinate an operation that big, requiring that many people to shut up and play along with his charade.

Oh, did you have a point to make?

 

[Athyrio]

The viciousness of the swarm, spending hours 24/7 insisting the three collapses were not some sort of controlled demolitions, always reassures me that I am correct and fighting the good fight.

Is that because this is the only "evidence" you can produce to prove inside job?

 

[beachnut]

Actually the mmqing is the bread and butter of the trusters explanations of outrageous coincidence.

Out of the hat, to put it politely.

- Novice pilot performs impossible/improbable maneuvers with the Pentagon plane.

I hear here that flying an airliner is no great shakes and it's basically, after a tight maneuver at over 300 MPH, a point and hit the Pentagon cleanly without disturbing the lawn.

....
-Much of the Air Force is participating in war games under the direction of Cheney.

I hear Rumsfeld is in charge of the Military.

And on and on.

What were the impossible maneuvers? This is the dumbest statement made by 911 truth about flying, and they fail, as you have to define the impossible maneuvers. Why can't you specify the impossible maneuvers? You can't. No tight maneuver, it was a loose poorly flown turn, failure level bank control, looks like a person who never flew a large airliner did it, unable to keep the bank angel steady, so you are spewing lies and repeating yourself into failure. 300 mph is like the native speed of the 757/767, they love it, and the aircraft are so "clean", they have no problem exceeding low altitude speed restrictions, able to go over 500 mph.

War games? War games would have more senior/experienced military people on hand at work! Making this claim another failed claim made by 911 truth and repeated without thinking by you.

You come, by mistake, to a skeptic forum and spread lies and delusions. This is called failure.

 

[DeathDart]

While they might have had more senior/experienced military people on hand, the purpose would be to get experience for the middle ranks, with the newbies watching.

If you had a bunch of bored military people sitting around on 9-11. They would have been able to watch TV and other independent sources of information. I also think they would have shown enough initiative to begin prepping the fighters for takeoff sooner.

By having the wargames occurring at 9-11 it contributed to confusion, and who would want to look like an idiot by scrambling a fighter for an exercise scenario.

I agree that referring to a maneuver as impossible is a poor way to make a point. If the plane did perform the maneuver, it is not impossible.

 

[beachnut]

While they might have had more senior/experienced military people on hand, the purpose would be to get experience for the middle ranks, with the newbies watching.

If you had a bunch of bored military people sitting around on 9-11. They would have been able to watch TV and other independent sources of information. I also think they would have shown enough initiative to begin prepping the fighters for takeoff sooner.

By having the wargames occurring at 9-11 it contributed to confusion, and who would want to look like an idiot by scrambling a fighter for an exercise scenario.

I agree that referring to a maneuver as impossible is a poor way to make a point. If the plane did perform the maneuver, it is not impossible.

War games would not contribute to confusion past a second. Sorry, you failed to make a point, no wonder you can't figure out 911 given over 9 years.

They did prep faster, people came in from home trying to fly! You failed to study 911, and the military, you have failed after nearly 10 years to comprehend 19 terrorists did 911. On a topic which took minutes to solve for Passengers on Flight 93 to figure out, you have take years and taken zero action. You are exceptional.

 

[DeathDart]

You do not support your statements.
War games would not contribute to the confusion past a second. Why?

One set of information is a game, the other is real. They are nearly the same.

Use your own words to describe it. All the reports written after the event would try to hide the confusion since confusion is really considered a weakness in the military. Not a conspiracy, just human nature.

Distill it down to what people would have been thinking. Walk in their shoes.

 

[DGM]

One set of information is a game, the other is real. They are nearly the same.

They are not mixed in real life. The "gamer" only see the game (once it starts).

I'll back this up as well as you do...............................................................................................


BTW the quote function is handy when responding to people, It easy, even you could do it.

 

[beachnut]

You do not support your statements.
War games would not contribute to the confusion past a second. Why?

One set of information is a game, the other is real. They are nearly the same.

Use your own words to describe it. All the reports written after the event would try to hide the confusion since confusion is really considered a weakness in the military. Not a conspiracy, just human nature.

Distill it down to what people would have been thinking. Walk in their shoes.

You can't figure out 911, it something you will have to do on your own. With Flight 93 Passengers figuring out 911 in minutes, this leaves you in tie for last place with 911 truth. Can you pull ahead and answer you own question using research?