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Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

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twinstead said:
Clayton I'm still waiting for you to show us how outside the msm in the US, the entire rest of the world laughs at us debunkers.
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The rest of the world is not even remotely interested in 911 anymore. Nobody I know here in Flanders is. Clayton,Flanders is a part of Belgium. Where Ned comes from.
 
jaydeehess said:
To be honest the only hindsight blather that Clayton engages in is the fact that his inner voice assures him that it was all a vast conspiracy by shadowy gov't agents.

Chris 7 however has engaged in blatant 'Monday morning quarterback" hindsight in telling us that he can prove that the FDNY Chiefs were either lieing in the NIST report (or that the entire interview with the Chiefs was faked) and that NIST is lieing, when it is stated that the best course of action was to abandon the effort to save the building.

So much so that from now on I may not even bother typing it in full but refer to it as "MMQ".
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I suggested that because it seems to me that Christopher7 is the only one in the current discussion (regarding fighting the fires in WTC7) who is suggesting that they could/should/would have done something else. Everyone else is talking about WHY the FDNY did what they did, and what might have ensued had they done otherwise. Clayton seems to be saying that the rest of us are MMQ-ing, but if he gave it any thought he would see that such is not the case.
 
AJM8125 said:
Then you pretend that this never happened, repeat the lies endlessly and cry foul when nobody in the MSM will give you the time of day.

Nobody cares about 9/11 truth outside of these debates. Get over it.
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If you substitute;
"Paul MacCartney is dead"
"Apollo Hoax"
"JFK Assassination"
"Free Energy"

or a vast array of other similar conspiracies your above sentiment would still apply.
 
sylvan8798 said:
I suggested that because it seems to me that Christopher7 is the only one in the current discussion (regarding fighting the fires in WTC7) who is suggesting that they could/should/would have done something else. Everyone else is talking about WHY the FDNY did what they did, and what might have ensued had they done otherwise. Clayton seems to be saying that the rest of us are MMQ-ing, but if he gave it any thought he would see that such is not the case.
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Indeed, in a typical MMQ session one or more persons will pontificate on what the quarterback(or coach) should/could have done and others might argue that the quarterback (or coach) made his decision based on what he saw and on his much greater training and experience than those engaging in questioning his actions. To carry the metaphor further, and into the present discussion, Chris 7 is suggesting that the quarterback (or coach) is corrupted (betting on the game or threatened into doing something he would not normally do with his training and experience) because he did not do what Chris 7, in his great hindsight and from afar, 'knows' should have been done. Others here, myself included, then ask for evidence that the quarterback was corrupted and not actually following their training and experience in the face of 'at-the-scene' priorities. We are told that since the quarterback (or coach) did not do what Chris 7 'knows' should have been done, that in itself is concrete evidence of said corruption.
 
excaza said:
I guess it should have collapsed into the Hudson or something.
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Oh come on. Everyone knows things always collapse in the path of least resistance. Well, there's a huge amount of resistance called EARTH when things fall downward, so clearly it should have collapsed into orbit.
 
AJM8125 said:
You've got to have the highest failure-to-word ratio of any truther I've ever encountered.

As others have said, there are many countries represented here, so much so It's highly probable that they outnumber American posters.

And this "MSM blackout" you truthers keep on about isn't what you think it is. To put it bluntly, you're being ignored. Because you're irrelevant. Because when you did have the attention of the MSM, you failed. Miserably. Because your lies were exposed and utterly destroyed. Then you pretend that this never happened, repeat the lies endlessly and cry foul when nobody in the MSM will give you the time of day.

Nobody cares about 9/11 truth outside of these debates. Get over it.
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The viciousness of the swarm, spending hours 24/7 insisting the three collapses were not some sort of controlled demolitions, always reassures me that I am correct and fighting the good fight.
 
jaydeehess said:
.........l you simply "know'" that this occured because your inner voice tells you it did, and you require no further discussion, no other evidence in order to carry on believing that inner voice. It would seem that your entire reason for being here is to tell us that your inner voice is correct and that no other discussion is relevent.
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Clayton Moore said:
The viciousness of the swarm, spending hours 24/7 insisting the three collapses were not some sort of controlled demolitions, always reassures me that I am correct and fighting the good fight.
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Thank you for demonstrating my point so well Clayton.
 
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Clayton Moore said:
The viciousness of the swarm, spending hours 24/7 insisting the three collapses were not some sort of controlled demolitions, always reassures me that I am correct and fighting the good fight.
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Generally, people don't respond well to accusations of complicity in a mass murder, especially if there's no evidence of their complicity, such as in this case.
 
Clayton Moore said:
The viciousness of the swarm, spending hours 24/7 insisting the three collapses were not some sort of controlled demolitions, always reassures me that I am correct and fighting the good fight.
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Yes, you'll dig your way down and out of the hole one day.
 
Clayton Moore said:
The viciousness of the swarm, spending hours 24/7 insisting the three collapses were not some sort of controlled demolitions, always reassures me that I am correct and fighting the good fight.
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Yea. Whatever floats your boat. Want to try actually answering questions posed to you instead of spouting blind rhetoric? Thanks in advance.
 
jaydeehess said:
Indeed, in a typical MMQ session one or more persons will pontificate on what the quarterback(or coach) should/could have done and others might argue that the quarterback (or coach) made his decision based on what he saw and on his much greater training and experience than those engaging in questioning his actions. To carry the metaphor further, and into the present discussion, Chris 7 is suggesting that the quarterback (or coach) is corrupted (betting on the game or threatened into doing something he would not normally do with his training and experience) because he did not do what Chris 7, in his great hindsight and from afar, 'knows' should have been done. Others here, myself included, then ask for evidence that the quarterback was corrupted and not actually following their training and experience in the face of 'at-the-scene' priorities. We are told that since the quarterback (or coach) did not do what Chris 7 'knows' should have been done, that in itself is concrete evidence of said corruption.
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MMQ syndrome is prevelent in nearly every aspect of the truth movement's arguments, some areas more than others. Most areas where MMQing is tattooed on their foreheads are in the opinions concerning the CIA, FBI, and the White House and their dropping the ball months or even years prior to the attacks. Were there thousands of leads, thousands of suspects, thousands of opinions, thousands of threats, and thousands of possibilites to sort though to find that needle in the haystack? Yep, and well documented interagency turf wars weren't helping matters. Were the CIA, FBI, and the White House incompetent? Absolutly. However, these incompetentcy issues get twisted around to show a cover up in the minds of conspiracy theorists, where as in reality it was just simply a bunch of beaurcrats covering the rear ends when the feces hit the fan while the 9/11 commission performed their duties. The 9/11 commission findings were focused to fix the problems, not to go on a witch hunt and point fingers, which distresses the truthers to this day because nobody got hung out to dry. For once, politicans got it right in my opinion.

As far as MMQing, don't even get me started on the FAA and NORAD opines.
 
Clayton Moore said:
The viciousness of the swarm, spending hours 24/7 insisting the three collapses were not some sort of controlled demolitions, always reassures me that I am correct and fighting the good fight.
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Catch-22.
In Clayton's own inner universe, we always lose. How?
Because he is so very wrong so very often.
  • If we don't totally destruct all he says every time, he takes that as us admitting that he is right.
  • If we do totally destruct all he says every time, , he takes that as us admitting that he is right.


ETA: Irreducible delusion, too.
 
Clayton Moore said:
The viciousness of the swarm, spending hours 24/7 insisting the three collapses were not some sort of controlled demolitions, always reassures me that I am correct and fighting the good fight.
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How does that fight manifest itself outside your little one-line postlings here on the JREF forum?
 
Clayton Moore said:
The viciousness of the swarm, spending hours 24/7 insisting the three collapses were not some sort of controlled demolitions, always reassures me that I am correct and fighting the good fight.
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Psst....

Over here.

STAY QUIET!!!


NYC was only part of the entire day's events - can you connect everything? I've not seen a single attempt by a twoofer. Ever.


Now keep that a secret, mmmkay? We don't want anybody doing any undue thinking........
 
Clayton Moore said:
The viciousness of the swarm, spending hours 24/7 insisting the three collapses were not some sort of controlled demolitions, always reassures me that I am correct and fighting the good fight.
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And it never occurred to you that the reason everybody thinks ill of you is that you are always wrong and on the wrong side of the fight between civilization and the barbarians?
 
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