Continuation Part 2 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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pilot padron said:
2) What ever happened to the blood that Raffie told us was on that knife from his pricking of Meredith's finger while cooking ??
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Arguments against knife being murder weapon: Report by experts from La Sapienza saying no trace of Meredith on knife.

Arguments for knife being murder weapon: Statement by "Raffie" about cooking incident made under the false assumption there were traces of Meredith on knife.

...I don't think you're on a winner here.
 
komponisto said:
Arguments against knife being murder weapon: Report by experts from La Sapienza saying no trace of Meredith on knife.

Arguments for knife being murder weapon: Statement by "Raffie" about cooking incident made under the false assumption there were traces of Meredith on knife.

...I don't think you're on a winner here.
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Once again, statements by the accused trump any complicated sciency-sounding stuff about DNA and low copy number wotsits. For the guilters, they lied so they're murderers. It's that simple.
 
Diocletus said:
What the heck does this mean: "There does not exist evidence which scientifically confirms the presence of supposed flaking cells on the item"?

There never was any touch DNA on the clasp in the first place??? Jesus.
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It means that Patrizia Stefanoni didn't put the clasp under a microscope to confirm that there was anything there to sample and just blindly ran the tests until she got a hit and did a victory dance.
 
PhantomWolf said:
A lot of the thread has been about the evidence, unfortunately that tends to get sidetracked by people jumping in with declarations of guilt, and when they get asked to explain why they believe that the pair are indeed guilty, they resort to hand waving, evasion, or claims of "but the court said they were guilty, so they must be."

:::snip excellence reluctantly:::
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This was an awesome post, I can't recall how many compliments you received for it, if any, but you deserved some. :)
 
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What a happy day! Finally!

Obviously, I'm trying to be calm, but seriously, this is huge. HUGE!

No DNA of Meredith on the knife, the clasp is unreliable also. I mean...Is it over?

I really hope that Hellmann will change his mind and appoint some court hearings really quick. They need to be out before August.
 
PDiGirolamo said:
Frank has a new post up:

http://perugiashock.com/
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WOW!

Frank Sfarzo said:
At next hearing Stefanoni will defend the results obtained. This time she will be allowed to pose directly questions to Conti & Vecchiotti, but it will be just a desperate attempt to defend what exist on that knife and bra clasp: NOTHING.
In the same hearing the defense is expected to file a request of freedom for Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito, which should definitely be granted.

This time we can say: CASO CHIUSO.
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There seems to be some suggestion elsewhere that the loss of the DNA evidence re the knife and the bra clasp will result in a reduction in sentence for Knox & Sollecito. For the life of me, I can't understand the logic behind this.

Surely if the court continues to hold that the defendants are guilty, despite the possible loss of the DNA evidence they would have no reason to reduce their sentence.

If they find that their guilt can no longer be proved because of the loss of the DNA evidence, then they will have to find them not guilty.

I am struggling to see how they could come to a "compromise" verdict of "slightly less guilty because there's less evidence now so we'll reduce their sentence". Can anyone explain this to me?
 
Someone should let Barbie know that the news isn't shocking to everyone. For some of us it's just 3 1/2 years too late.
 
Fuji said:
And yet, not once in any of his alternative accounts (or even Alessi's purported hearsay) of his actions that evening has he ever claimed to have gained entry to the cottage through Filomena's window, or even so much as entered her room.
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He could never include that little tidbit in his fairytale. To do so would mean it would almost certainly be interpreted by the court that he did indeed break in via that window. His story always hinged on the court believing he was there by invitation of Meredith (which of course no one believed).
 
Kaosium said:
WOW!
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I suspect that the "request for freedom" for Knox/Sollecito that Sfarzo is referring to is not what you might think. I suspect he's talking about a request to release them from remand while the appeal trial is ongoing - to a position of either house arrest or total liberty. I don't think he's referring to a request to acquit.
 
Who leaked this report and who did the English translation? Is there a link to it?
 
Alt+F4 said:
Who leaked this report and who did the English translation? Is there a link to it?
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Leaked? It's a date-stamped court filing. Doesn't that make it a public record that would have been obtained from the court clerk?
 
I am genuinely glad the DNA will likely be thrown out and Amanda and Raffaele almost certainly released. I was on the fence a long time and leaning toward guilt but the TOD issue was very convincing to me, especially once Rolfe weighed in as well. The other issues were almost irrelevant due to the multitude of explanations to their existence, despite their intriguing natures. The DNA was however the only other strong indicator and I really hope now the truth will set them free. I mean that.

I think Rudy should be strung up by the proverbials for not using his time in court to come clean and exonerate them. I hope he gets time added to his sentence for perjury.
 
Diocletus said:
Leaked? It's a date-stamped court filing. Doesn't that make it a public record that would have been obtained from the court clerk?
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Could you post a link? Thanks. I thought it was a leak as the official report is not to be presented to the court until tomorrow.
 
Matthew Best said:
There seems to be some suggestion elsewhere that the loss of the DNA evidence re the knife and the bra clasp will result in a reduction in sentence for Knox & Sollecito. For the life of me, I can't understand the logic behind this.

Surely if the court continues to hold that the defendants are guilty, despite the possible loss of the DNA evidence they would have no reason to reduce their sentence.

If they find that their guilt can no longer be proved because of the loss of the DNA evidence, then they will have to find them not guilty.

I am struggling to see how they could come to a "compromise" verdict of "slightly less guilty because there's less evidence now so we'll reduce their sentence". Can anyone explain this to me?
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Maybe they go with the Mignini-Theory; Amanda and Raffaele might not have been in the room at all and orchestrated everything from another room (absurd), and since you don't know exactly what their part was, a lesser degree of guilt is possible, hence the reduced sentence.
 
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Matthew Best said:
I am struggling to see how they could come to a "compromise" verdict of "slightly less guilty because there's less evidence now so we'll reduce their sentence". Can anyone explain this to me?
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I think I see your problem. You need to remove your brain before you can begin to believe this.
 
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