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President Roosevelt's question is not all that odd. The German army in the east was still mostly using horse drawn artillery. A lack of horses is the same as a lack of petrol. "Wespes", "Hummels" and other motorised artillery were yet to become common place.

Despite highly ballyhooed emphasis on employment of mechanized forces and on rapid movement, the bulk of German combat divisions were horse drawn throughout World War II

German Horse Cavalry & Transporthttp://www.lonesentry.com/articles/germanhorse/index.html
And, as deniers are so fond of saying when they think it handwaves away Nazi crimes, there was a war going on. How odd that the commander in chief of the US would be interested in the war.
 
as it shows that the most degenerate of the Zionist lies, the steam chambers, the electrocution plates, the babies thrown into the steam chambers, etc., appeared very early and with the endorsement of ELENOR ROOSEVELT and ALBERT EINSTEIN .... you can see the reference here ....

Saggy..."The Black Book of Polish Jewry" is an early 1943 American publication that is simply reproducing a speech by Igancy Schwarzbart given in London on 17NOV42. Ignacy Schwarzbart got his information from the 23OCT42 edition of the Polish underground paper Biuletyn Informacyjni that was smuggled by Jan Karski to London's Polish Government in exile. Biuletyn Informacyjni clearly states both "gas chambers" and "steam chambers" as the early Polish eyewitnesses were not clear what they saw. In response, the British, American and Soviet Government issued a declaration to Germany on 17DEC42 that individuals would be prosecuted for war crimes against the jews. The Nazis in response enacted SonderAktion 1005 and started hiding evidence. That is why we see 20,000 square metres of human ash at Treblinka II and empty mass graves.


And, as I noted earlier, holohoax skeptics are banned at Skeptics Forum, the most recent thread topic is .... For each extermination camp, prove one Jew was gassed there, the poster is one RIKKU, and his status, is, predictably, banned. LOL !
"Rikku" and "Parker" are probably Greg Gerdes and were banned for repeating spams of the Greg Gerdes challenge.
 
Saggy..."The Black Book of Polish Jewry" is an early 1943 American publication that is simply reproducing a speech by Igancy Schwarzbart given in London on 17NOV42. Ignacy Schwarzbart got his information from the 23OCT42 edition of the Polish underground paper Biuletyn Informacyjni that was smuggled by Jan Karski to London's Polish Government in exile. Biuletyn Informacyjni clearly states both "gas chambers" and "steam chambers" as the early Polish eyewitnesses were not clear what they saw. In response, the British, American and Soviet Government issued a declaration to Germany on 17DEC42 that individuals would be prosecuted for war crimes against the jews. The Nazis in response enacted SonderAktion 1005 and started hiding evidence. That is why we see 20,000 square metres of human ash at Treblinka II and empty mass graves.


"Rikku" and "Parker" are probably Greg Gerdes and were banned for repeating spams of the Greg Gerdes challenge.

Censorship is the liars paradise.
 
Is this a crack about "Hannover" and his forum "Codoh"? It doesn't follow, but if you say so, I will go along with the idea that the lot who run Codoh are liars.

Of course they are liars - they dont agree with Clayton
 
And, as I noted earlier, holohoax skeptics are banned at Skeptics Forum, the most recent thread topic is .... For each extermination camp, prove one Jew was gassed there, the poster is one RIKKU, and his status, is, predictably, banned. LOL !

Rikku started that thread two months before he/she was banned for uttering blatantly racist comments in an entirely different thread.
 

"Rikku" and "Parker" are probably Greg Gerdes and were banned for repeating spams of the Greg Gerdes challenge.

No, they're separate people. Parker is indeed Greg Gerdes, because nobody else spams like Gerdes does and nobody else but Gerdes is interested in Gerdes's "challenges". Rikku also posts as Cloud on CODOH and Yuna on RODOH, which is easy to tell because of the 'Final Fantasy' avatars.
 

Not very responsive to what I actually wrote, is it?

I'm sure Saggy, or one of the other deniers here, will now try to tell me that all the files I'm reading cannot be trusted

So basically you've chickened out of trying to work out how to tell me files I am reading that you haven't read aren't to be trusted. That's progress of sorts, I guess.

Unfortunately, there are many files you haven't read, and many books you haven't read. Your knowledge and expertise on this subject is only slightly less abysmal than Clayton Moore's.

I'll tell you that I regard your 'arguments' as cockamamie idiocy,

Alas, you're in a decided minority both around here and globally. So what you might consider to be idiocy and what is actually idiocy are two very different things.

as the 'discussion' about the hoax gas chamber amply demonstrates. So, I don't bother following your links unless I think there might be something interesting, and this post of yours didn't meet the test.

Here is the fact - the hoax gas chamber was presented to the public as a working gas chamber that was in its as found condition. This is verified by the quotes from van Pelt and the Cole video. And of course everyone knows this. Still, it doesn't surprise me that you argue against it, you have to, because it proves without doubt that the Auschwitz museum is run by degenerate liars the likes of which the world has never seen, and by implication this characterization applies to everyone selling this absurd hoax. Sorry.

What a lot of huffing and puffing, unfortunately all your screaming doesn't make you right.

Bluespaceoddity has already posted the description of what is said by Krema I in the Auschwitz Museum today, making it very clear that the building was converted and reconstructed.

I have reminded everyone that in 1946, the Polish official report was very clear about the conversion of the building to an air raid shelter in 1944, making it absolutely iron-clad certain that if the same building is now presented as something else, then that something else is a reconstruction.

So what you are left with - at best - is a misrepresentation by Polish museum guides in the early 1990s, and one that probably comes more from ignorance than from any sinister plot to contradict their own government's report in 1946.

That's a pretty far cry from the apocalyptic world-embracing hoax and lie you so desperately want to prove.

But then, you deniers never are very bright, are you?
 
You never said truer word. It must be awful being a denier and going through life with a brain the size of a walnut.
But, having brains the size of walnuts and the self-awareness of turnips, they may be as happy as clams--ignorant of what goes on around them, untroubled by their lack of comprehension, and unaware of their dim prospects and how others view them.
 
Take a look sometime at what the Nazis did to Warsaw in 1944. Think the blockade of Gaza is bad? . . . That you would defend such simian behavior is disgusting.
This is the sort of thing which all deniers in some way defend, wish away, minimize, or rationalize.

Sticking with the simian behavior of the Germans in Warsaw, 1944, and the chimp perspective on the Third Reich, when the Nazis suppressed the Warsaw Uprising--and, yes, there was a war going on, but so too was there in Vietnam when My Lai occurred--they deployed Waffen-SS to deal out especially brutal retaliation. Units like Dirlewanger's and those from RONA, made up of outlaws who bordered on the sadistic, were sent in to action with the expected results. In the districts of Wolo and Ochota, for example, 40,000 Polish civilians were murdered and a wave of rapes accompanied the slaughter. On August 2, in Marymont, where insurgents had not taken the district, RONA and SS struck with grenade attacks on bomb shelters and waves of shootings of civilians trying to flee the fighting. The general battle plan made widespread civilian casualties inevitable--to take one example, German tanks made their way into battle zones with Polish civilians chained to them.

In the end, the fighting claimed the lives of 42,000 Polish rebels--and perhaps 3 to 4 times as many civilians--about a quarter of the city's population. When the Germans prevailed, they removed as many as 350,000 Poles from the city into camps, sending 10s of 1000s to Germany for slave labor. By January 1945 the Germans had destroyed approximately 80% of Warsaw, reducing its buildings to rubble and rendering the city virtually uninhabitable. This is not "normal" warfare but an attempt to destroy the enemy, conceived as the entire population, and obliterate the foundation of its life.

And, of course, low as the Poles figured in the Nazi demonology, they were not as low as the Jews. Not that it "proves" a thing, but I would ask deniers first to wrestle with the sorts of Nazi war crimes mentioned by Wroclaw and second to ponder whether, as Clayton Moore intones in a kind of staccato display of ignorance, the Germans were really incapable of atrocities on massive scale and with large-scale lethal results. It is, that is to say, a relevant question, if the Germans believed it appropriate to savage the Poles of Warsaw as they did in late 1944, to take this one example, what does one think they would have in store for the Jews, whom they defined as the world's greatest enemy, wire pullers behind the Allies, exploiter of Europe, and cause of the world war?
 
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One more question for deniers - if nazis didnt mean to kill Jews why punishment for helping Jews in Poland was dead?
 
But, having brains the size of walnuts and the self-awareness of turnips, they may be as happy as clams--ignorant of what goes on around them, untroubled by their lack of comprehension, and unaware of their dim prospects and how others view them.

Yes,give them a swastika and a picture of Hitler and they're as happy as a pig in dung.
 
One more question for deniers - if nazis didnt mean to kill Jews why punishment for helping Jews in Poland was dead?

Likely it was considered an act of war. I'm not justifying it. I'm not justifying the violence on either side.
 
Likely it was considered an act of war. I'm not justifying it. I'm not justifying the violence on either side.

How is protecting a Jewish citizen of Poland who is a civilian if he is not in the army (which means all women as well as all children and the elderly) an "act of war" on the part of a Gentile citizen of Poland (same restrictions apply)?

Please explain.
 
Likely it was considered an act of war. I'm not justifying it. I'm not justifying the violence on either side.

So saving hundreds of jewish childrens by Irena Sendler was also act of war?

Yes i know she survived the war - but she was sentenced to dead and it was miracle Żegota managed to save her.
 
Well, Saggy, are you happy with CODOH today?

This is you, no?

Re: NEW ETHICAL DAMNATION - BOOKS TO BE PULPED!
by SevenUp » Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:21 pm
Hannover wrote:
However, I will not let you come in here and avoid honest and straight forward questions put to you which are based upon your own statements. You have shown an appalling lack of courage for your convictions.



This is an absolute crock. What is the sense of allowing one person, 'Hannover', to insult posters at will.

Screenshot attached. You're welcome.
 

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Likely it was considered an act of war. I'm not justifying it. I'm not justifying the violence on either side.
What was the violence on the "Jewish side" in 1939-1941?

Why did a war against Poland involve the incarceration of Jews, in the words of Hans Frank, in "their designated districts," which upon pain of death they were not to leave?

It wasn't considered an act of war, by the way. Do you know how Fischer explained his order of 10 November 1941?

Do you just type out whatever nonsense pops into your head? Have you read even one scholarly book on this period?
 
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Saggy, if you'd like my help refuting this idiocy, just PM me.


Hannover said:
SevenUp said:
That said, the rule that 'when challenged on something that a participant posts, that participant must respond or leave the thread.' is absurd in theory, and it is not applied fairly in practice. In particular it is used against posters that the 'administration', in particular 'Hannover', disfavors.

If you participate in any forum you'll quickly discover that a favorite tactic of the Zionists is to ask a leading question, demand an answer, and then repeat the question over and over, insulting the poster for not answering. This tactic quickly reduces the thread to an exchange of insults and irrelevance. Just as it has done to this thread . You can go to any holohoax thread on randi.com and see this tactic employed over and over and over ad infinitum. It is not appropriate for the forum administrators on this forum to employ this very tactic.
Let's break this down.

I think it's a great rule. It prevents anyone from making statements they can't back up. That's what real open debate is about ... IOW it says put up or shut up. Of course those that can't back up what they claim would indeed look to discredit what is a very logical, time saving guideline. It just the opposite of what you claim, it cuts to chase, thus avoiding being vague and the all to typical 'yes it is, no it isn't'.

It's literally impossible to ask questions about a claim until that claim is made. You're example makes no sense, SevenUp. Please read the guidelines.

here's a case in point:
SevenUp, show us how it's used "against posters that the 'administration', in particular 'Hannover', disfavors." No one put those words in your mouth, you said them. Now back them up.

And, you are off topic.

- Hannover
 
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