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cesarz said:
And what do holocaust deniers have to say about polish hero Jan Karski?

He was writing reports on Holocaust as early as 1942.

"In 1942 Karski reported to the Polish, British and U.S. governments on the situation in Poland, especially the destruction of the Warsaw Ghetto and the Holocaust of the Jews. He had also carried from Poland a microfilm with further information from the Underground Movement on the extermination of European Jews in German occupied Poland. The Polish Foreign Minister, Count Edward Raczynski, provided the Allies on this basis with one of the earliest and most accurate accounts of the Holocaust. A note by Foreign Minister Edward Raczynski entitled The mass extermination of Jews in German occupied Poland, addressed to the Governments of the United Nations on 10 December 1942, would be published later along with other documents in a widely distributed leaflet"

Why would he lie about it?
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He then traveled to the United States and reported to President Franklin D. Roosevelt. His report was a major factor in prompting the West. In July 1943, Karski again personally reported to Roosevelt about the situation in Poland. During their meeting Roosevelt suddenly interrupted his report and asked about the condition of horses in occupied Poland.
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MG1962 said:
Okay mighty mouth - you wanna explain Saggy's - remember he is on your side - coments?
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Or the posts I quoted from Rodoh . . . the substance of which Clayton Moore has ignored in favor of faffing about aimlessly . . . sheesh . . .
 
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@Clayton and the point of this quote is....?

There was also Witold Pilecki - who managed to escape form the camp:

" On August 25, 1943, Pilecki reached Warsaw and joined the Home Army's intelligence department. The Home Army, after losing several operatives in reconnoitering the vicinity of the camp, including the Cichociemny commando Stefan Jasieński, decided that it lacked sufficient strength to capture the camp without Allied help. Pilecki's detailed report (Raport Witolda — Witold's Report) was sent to London where the scale of Nazi atrocities at Auschwitz ("During the first 3 years, at Auschwitz there perished 2 million people; in the next 2 years—3 million") was thought to be grossly exaggerated. The British authorities refused the Home Army air support for an operation to help the inmates escape."

He was wrong on numbers - but no one sane can blame him.

If you will write another ******** that all this people were soviet agents - Pilecki was executed in 1948 by the Stalinists in Poland.
 
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Matthew Ellard said:
No. David has had a stroke about four months ago and that's it. He isn't getting better....
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LOL ! I'm going to have to check your idiotic lies more often, cause checking this one led to me David's latest thread .... which I confess is a little surprising to me ... as it shows that the most degenerate of the Zionist lies, the steam chambers, the electrocution plates, the babies thrown into the steam chambers, etc., appeared very early and with the endorsement of ELENOR ROOSEVELT and ALBERT EINSTEIN .... you can see the reference here ....

http://www.xoxol.org/dem/blackbook01.html#Sponsorsiii

which lists the sponsors for the publication of the Black Book of Polish Jewry in the US. Truly this is probably the most degenerate book ever written. From the link ...

The BBPJ statement on Treblinka is particularly noteworthy for its seeming authority � the book's list of sponsors (click on "Sponsors") includes one first lady, one Nobel Laureate whose name has become synonymous with genius, three U.S. Congressmen, one U.S. Senator, one mayor of New York City, one U.S. Cabinet member, and other notables. Did ever a piece of Jewish-holocaust literature come more highly recommended than this one?

And, as I noted earlier, holohoax skeptics are banned at Skeptics Forum, the most recent thread topic is .... For each extermination camp, prove one Jew was gassed there, the poster is one RIKKU, and his status, is, predictably, banned. LOL !
 
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cesarz said:
@Clayton and the point of this quote is....?
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The point was that Roosevelt ignored the idiocy he was hearing and changed the subject.


cesarz said:
There was also Witold Pilecki - who managed to escape form the camp:

" On August 25, 1943, Pilecki reached Warsaw and joined the Home Army's intelligence department. The Home Army, after losing several operatives in reconnoitering the vicinity of the camp, including the Cichociemny commando Stefan Jasieński, decided that it lacked sufficient strength to capture the camp without Allied help. Pilecki's detailed report (Raport Witolda — Witold's Report) was sent to London where the scale of Nazi atrocities at Auschwitz ("During the first 3 years, at Auschwitz there perished 2 million people; in the next 2 years—3 million") was thought to be grossly exaggerated. The British authorities refused the Home Army air support for an operation to help the inmates escape."

He was wrong on numbers - but no one sane can blame him.

If you will write another ******** that all this people were soviet agents - Pilecki was executed in 1948 by the Stalinists in Poland.
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The people of the day didn't believe him and it turns out he was lying even beyond the today's Holocaust lies.


On September 19, 1940, he deliberately went out during a Warsaw street roundup (łapanka), and was caught by the Germans along with some 2,000 innocent civilians (among them, Władysław Bartoszewski).[9] After two days of torture in Wehrmacht barracks, he was sent to Auschwitz. Pilecki was tattooed on his forearm with the number 4859.[9]
Auschwitz concentration camp photos of Pilecki (1941)

At Auschwitz, while working in various kommandos and surviving pneumonia, Pilecki organized an underground Union of Military Organizations (Związek Organizacji Wojskowej, ZOW).[3][10] Many smaller underground organizations at Auschwitz eventually merged with ZOW.[3][11] ZOW's tasks were to improve inmate morale, provide news from outside, distribute extra food and clothing to members, set up intelligence networks, and train detachments to take over the camp in the event of a relief attack by the Home Army, arms airdrops, or an airborne landing by the Polish 1st Independent Parachute Brigade, based in Britain.[3][10]

ZOW provided the Polish underground with priceless information on the camp.[10] From October 1940, ZOW sent reports to Warsaw,[12] and beginning March 1941, Pilecki's reports were being forwarded via the Polish resistance to the British government in London.[13] These reports were a principal source of intelligence on Auschwitz for the Western Allies. Pilecki hoped that either the Allies would drop arms or troops into the camp, or the Home Army would organize an assault on it from outside. Such plans, however, were all judged impossible to carry out.[3][11] Meanwhile the Gestapo redoubled its efforts to ferret out ZOW members, succeeding in killing many of them.[3][14] Pilecki decided to break out of the camp, with the hope of personally convincing Home Army leaders that a rescue attempt was a valid option. When he was assigned to a night shift at a camp bakery outside the fence, he and two comrades overpowered a guard, cut the phone line and escaped on the night of April 26/27, 1943, taking along documents stolen from the Germans.
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Then this guy survives pneumonia in a death camp?

Distributes extra food and clothing in a death camp?

Was the leader of ZOW and the Gestapo couldn't figure that out?
 
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Clayton Moore said:
Then this guy survives pneumonia in a death camp?

Distributes extra food and clothing in a death camp?
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He was in Auschwitz I, not in Birkenau.

Was the leader of ZOW and the Gestapo couldn't figure that out?
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It was a secret organization. People who violated that secrecy were executed by other members of the group.

You realize the mafia in the United States was an entirely secret organization until 1963, right?

Same rules, that's why.
 
Clayton Moore said:
This "person" makes a bottom line over the horror of Dresden.
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It's interesting how you get all worked up over Dresden yet you are apparently completely ignorant of what happened at Hamburg a year and a half earlier. But then, you've already made some comments earlier in this thread that revealed your utter lack of knowledge about the Allied bombing campaign.
 
Wroclaw said:
He was in Auschwitz I, not in Birkenau.



It was a secret organization. People who violated that secrecy were executed by other members of the group.

You realize the mafia in the United States was an entirely secret organization until 1963, right?

Same rules, that's why.
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So in one part of the camp they saved lives? While just down the road they killed everyone?
 
Clayton Moore said:
So in one part of the camp they saved lives? While just down the road they killed everyone?
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No, in one camp out of a network of camps they did the organized killing. A-II was one of three major camps in this network, which also included 45 subcamps.

You would know this if you weren't so to-the-bone ignorant of the history you are so rabid to deny...
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Clayton Moore said:
So in one part of the camp they saved lives? While just down the road they killed everyone?
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Yes, that's about right.

I don't want to overemphasize the difference between the camps in the Auschwitz complex of camps, but as a thumbnail sketch, I'm going to stick with the above.

Any person debating these issues should be aware of the following: Using the term "Auschwitz" is terribly vague. Generally, when reading that term, one of these three is meant: (1) Auschwitz I, which contained many political prisoners and other non-Jews. When you hear people talk about the "swimming pool" at Auschwitz, they're talking about this place. The death rate was high here, but it was high at all KZs; (2) Auschwitz II, called Birkenau (see below); and (3) Auschwitz III, called Monowitz. This was primarily a synthetic rubber works. A lot of famous inmates who survived "Auschwitz" were here, notably Elie Wiesel and Primo Levi.

Birkenau is the place where the extermination program was undertaken, with the exception of the limited use of Krema I in Auschwitz I, which, as noted not very far up this thread, was eventually converted into an air-raid shelter. To the best of my knowledge, no gassing was carried out at Monowitz, but I could be wrong.

The point: When we talk about the gas chambers and crematoria of "Auschwitz," we're almost invariably talking about Birkenau.

Here endeth the lesson.
 
Wroclaw>>

Did Hitler "blame" Jews for WW2?

Hitler's Speech to the Reichstag, 30 January, 1939:

"Europe cannot find peace until the Jewish question has been solved. …One thing I should like to say on this day [the sixth anniversary of his being appointed Chancellor of the Reich] which may be memorable for others as well as for us Germans. In the course of my life I have very often been a prophet and have usually been ridiculed for it. … Today I will once more be a prophet: if the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the Bolshivization of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe."
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Clayton Moore said:
So in one part of the camp they saved lives? While just down the road they killed everyone?
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Correct

In fact in the second half of the war, the complex of camps where performing up to 10 specifically different functions at any one time
 
In "democratic" Britain 2 men are in prison for distributing a comic book called TALES OF THE HOLOHOAX which is a satire of holocaust claims http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2010/02/tales-of-holohoax-and-denmarks-anti.html The same media and governments which made a big deal about the Muhammad cartoons are silent on this matter. Obviously a double standard. If it is a free country, a true democracy then people should be able to satirise anything they like. Any period of history (including the holocaust), politics, religion etc.
The "offensive" comic book in question TALES OF THE HOLOHOAX takes aim at outlandish claims such as "Martin Gilbert is one of the most respected high priests of the Holohoax religion. In his catechism, St. Gilbert states that:In the spring and summer of 1942 hundreds of thousands of Jews were being gassed every day". If 200 000 Jews were indeed gassed daily by the nazis for the 17 weeks of spring and early summer that would be 23 800 000 Jews gassed just in those 4 months alone! What a miracle this must have been since there weren't 23 million Jews in the whole world at that time. Read the whole comic here www.vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres9/TalesV2.pdf
 
Wroclaw said:
Yes, that's about right.

I don't want to overemphasize the difference between the camps in the Auschwitz complex of camps, but as a thumbnail sketch, I'm going to stick with the above.

Any person debating these issues should be aware of the following: Using the term "Auschwitz" is terribly vague. Generally, when reading that term, one of these three is meant: (1) Auschwitz I, which contained many political prisoners and other non-Jews. When you hear people talk about the "swimming pool" at Auschwitz, they're talking about this place. The death rate was high here, but it was high at all KZs; (2) Auschwitz II, called Birkenau (see below); and (3) Auschwitz III, called Monowitz. This was primarily a synthetic rubber works. A lot of famous inmates who survived "Auschwitz" were here, notably Elie Wiesel and Primo Levi.

Birkenau is the place where the extermination program was undertaken, with the exception of the limited use of Krema I in Auschwitz I, which, as noted not very far up this thread, was eventually converted into an air-raid shelter. To the best of my knowledge, no gassing was carried out at Monowitz, but I could be wrong.

The point: When we talk about the gas chambers and crematoria of "Auschwitz," we're almost invariably talking about Birkenau.

Here endeth the lesson.
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Auschwitz II Birkenau Sonderkommando Testimony Clips
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SoTJ9cv028


Where's a body language expert when you need one?

The last Birkenau Sonderkommando survivor is a riot.
 
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