Which God or Gods do you believe in and why not the other ones?

Monstrmac1 said:
I liked what I just wrote so I'm going to post it on my blog. But you guys have read it first lol.
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The problem is though it was the exact kind of " Well, your question is too hard, i am just going to talk about what i want." post, that the op was trying to avoid.
 
RossFW said:
I think you missed the point of the OP.

I think the question was why do you believe you particular take on God is TRUE. Your position seems to be your belief is NICE, and you don't seem to mind if it's the truth or not.

That's fine, but do you understand why many people are dissatisfied by believing in things that are either out and out made up, or just some vauge reference to "Nature"?
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I find this kind of response all too common, they pretend they are answering the question, but really all they are saying is" I like it, it makes me feel better." well that is cool and all, but it isn't answering the question. It is like if you were to ask the price of a big mac, and the person behind the counter started saying " Well it tastes awesome, it has lettuce, meat, a bun, that special sauce....". Which is to say, yes it is answering a question, but not the question that was asked.
 
sadhatter said:
I find this kind of response all too common, they pretend they are answering the question, but really all they are saying is" I like it, it makes me feel better." well that is cool and all, but it isn't answering the question. It is like if you were to ask the price of a big mac, and the person behind the counter started saying " Well it tastes awesome, it has lettuce, meat, a bun, that special sauce....". Which is to say, yes it is answering a question, but not the question that was asked.
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I find this kind of "didn't bother reading the actual thread so is unaware of the actual response" response all too common
:p

ETA, where have you been going to McDonalds, at mine the price is literally written on the wall by the till
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Ron_Tomkins said:
I'm speaking to you yrreg, DOC, Epix, Kumar and all the other theists.

Please take some time to sit down, think about this well for a while before you stampede to type, and explain:

1) Which God or Gods (And name each one of them) do you believe in and why?

2) Which God or Gods do you not believe in and why?


Do not write anything else that doesn't address these two questions. Don't tell me about how you think atheists are a bunch of boring pricks, don't tell me about how you once saw The Matrix and now how come this isn't a virtual reality simulation, blablabla. Sorry, I have to be really strict here to make sure you don't diverge into some meaningless 10.000 characters post that doesn't really address the topic. We already have the Timecube for laughing purposes, don't bring that in here. Remain on topic. Otherwise, I will report those posts that derail this thread.
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Sorry for my late arrival Ron, the thread title hadn't caught my attention.

I am a theist, but unfortunately I cannot answer your question because I don't believe in any Gods(I don't believe in anything).
In the light of many years of investigation and study on subjects relating to existence, including science. On balance I regard the existence of Gods* more likely than not.

We probably need to define God, as there are many definitions.

My definition:

*God = an intelligent entity which creatively manipulates the fabric of existence.
 
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punshhh said:
Sorry for my late arrival Ron, the thread title hadn't caught my attention.

I am a theist, but unfortunately I cannot answer your question because I don't believe in any Gods(I don't believe in anything).
In the light of many years of investigation and study on subjects relating to existence, including science. On balance I regard the existence of Gods* more likely than not.

We probably need to define God, as there are many definitions.

My definition:

*God = an intelligent entity which creatively manipulates the fabric of existence.
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God-An imaginary being.
 
punshhh said:
Sorry for my late arrival Ron, the thread title hadn't caught my attention.

I am a theist, but unfortunately I cannot answer your question because I don't believe in any Gods(I don't believe in anything).
In the light of many years of investigation and study on subjects relating to existence, including science. On balance I regard the existence of Gods* more likely than not.

We probably need to define God, as there are many definitions.

My definition:

*God = an intelligent entity which creatively manipulates the fabric of existence.
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So you're saying you believe in the idea that there is an intelligent creator but you haven't narrowed it down to any of the Gods from any of the current existing religions? Is this it?
 
punshhh said:
*God = an intelligent entity which creatively manipulates the fabric of existence.
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That could also be the definition for sufficiently advanced aliens. Depending on your definition of "the fabric of reality" that could even be a definition for humans.

Personally, I really would like an answer to the original post that doesn't involve circular logic. I've asked this exact set of questions of Christians before and have gotten the "God exists because Bible says so and the Bible is true because God created it" response. Occasionally I have had it told to me that if I was touched by the Hold Spirit I would understand all these things but that the Holy Spirit cannot be explained only experienced.

Hopefully someone has a good, well thought out explanation that I can understand. I haven't found one yet but I'm still willing to listen and hope.
 
Marduk said:
deny deny deny
:rolleyes:
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Oh Marduk, be nice. I apologize for not acknowledging your lovely answer.

I wasn't thinking of your reply and I really should have. It's actually fairly similar to the answer I have seen from other polytheists. I once had a lovely talk with a Hindu man who explained to me that he believed that all Gods were in fact true, they are all manifestations of Barman and that it is fine for people to worship whichever ones they want to.

Those are all wonderful answers but I guess part of the assumption of the original question is that it is being asked of a monotheist or at least of someone who believes that there is only one true religion.
 
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Ooops, funny what a slip of the finger can do sometimes. So if a sexual slip is Freudian, what would an alcohol based slip be called?
 
dafydd said:
At least he carries out a useful function.
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if you have the money to pay him for that function sure, more than 80% of humanity lives on less than $10 a day, so don't. This is why religions in third world countries that prohibit alcohol aren't asking for much.

religion its been said before is the opiate of the people, Its free and has an unending supply.
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I understand rational discourse and critical thinking, but I do not understand why the vast majority of non believers think its a question of realism and nothing more. The question is larger than that and the answers more numerous.
The comparisons with Santa Claus and the tooth fairy on children made so many times are especially valid, what purpose do those myths serve, what function do they have in the real world. They make kids happy don't they.
:D

I think its easy to fall into the trap of subscribing the beliefs of militant religious fanatics onto the vast multitude of pacifist believers. I see that a lot here, we do have some spectacularly bonkers fundamentalists posting here.
:)

Weak Kitten said:
Ooops, funny what a slip of the finger can do sometimes. So if a sexual slip is Freudian, what would an alcohol based slip be called?
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Drunken
:D:D:D
 
Ron_Tomkins said:
I'm speaking to you yrreg, DOC, Epix, Kumar and all the other theists.

Please take some time to sit down, think about this well for a while before you stampede to type, and explain:

1) Which God or Gods (And name each one of them) do you believe in and why?

2) Which God or Gods do you not believe in and why?


Do not write anything else that doesn't address these two questions. Don't tell me about how you think atheists are a bunch of boring pricks, don't tell me about how you once saw The Matrix and now how come this isn't a virtual reality simulation, blablabla. Sorry, I have to be really strict here to make sure you don't diverge into some meaningless 10.000 characters post that doesn't really address the topic. We already have the Timecube for laughing purposes, don't bring that in here. Remain on topic. Otherwise, I will report those posts that derail this thread.
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To believe is to practice; so it can be stated –the God I believe in is Yahweh the God of Israel.
That means that I follow his commands not to lie not to steal and not to commit adultery or covet my neighbours’ wife.

To love my neighbour means not to lie to him or her; not to steal from them.
Further only to eat what Yahweh decrees.

To regard the union of marriage as the cardinal function in society.

I did say I would refrain from posting—but this one did get my attention.
 
What about Ron_Tomkins' second question, Paul? Which God or Gods do you not believe in, and why?
 
Paul Bethke said:
To believe is to practice; so it can be stated –the God I believe in is Yahweh the God of Israel.
That means that I follow his commands not to lie not to steal and not to commit adultery or covet my neighbours’ wife.

To love my neighbour means not to lie to him or her; not to steal from them.
Further only to eat what Yahweh decrees.

To regard the union of marriage as the cardinal function in society.

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Yes, OK, but why?
 
Paul Bethke said:
To believe is to practice; so it can be stated –the God I believe in is Yahweh the God of Israel.
That means that I follow his commands not to lie not to steal and not to commit adultery or covet my neighbours’ wife.

To love my neighbour means not to lie to him or her; not to steal from them.
Further only to eat what Yahweh decrees.

To regard the union of marriage as the cardinal function in society.

I did say I would refrain from posting—but this one did get my attention.
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You failed to answer part two of the question, which is not what you believe, but why you believe.
 
kerikiwi said:
You failed to answer part two of the question, which is not what you believe, but why you believe.
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kerikiwi said:
You failed to answer part two of the question, which is not what you believe, but why you believe.
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Ok why.
Firstly it makes me feel good to live with these restrictions.
Secondly to lie would make me feel bad—so I have stopped lying.
Thirdly to steal means I would be breaking the law; that would make me feel bad, I would be prosecuted and sent to jail.
To commit adultery would mean that I would have to lie—and to lie makes me feel bad.

So I believe that Yahweh in giving these simple restrictions to man, would result in all of us living a happy fulfilled lives.

To eat that which is not detrimental to ones health means that I can enjoy a healthy life.

So why do I accept the laws of Yahweh—they give me as sense of freedom?
 
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