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Oystein said:
Ahh what the heck - here is my calculation - rough draft:

- Combustibles per quare meter: 100kg/m2 (that is a very low value, compared to most office buildings)
- Office space area: 400,000m2-> Total mass of combustibles: 40,000,000kg
- Average energy density of office combustibles: 10MJ/kg (again, that is a very low estimate; paper has more, plastics have much more)
-> Total energy of combustibles: 400,000,000MJ.
- This is the energy found in roughly 2.5 million gallons of fuel, or 100,000 tons of TNT
- Seconds in 99 days are 99*24*60*60 = 8,553,600s
-> Power of fires in 99 days: 47MW

47MW is the average net electrical power consumption of a city of more than 40,000 people in Germany (including housholds, industry and public sector).
My car has a power output of 90kW or 0.09MW. So the fires had the power of 500 times my car.
One block of an average nuclear power plant has an output of 1000MW, or 21 times the power of that debris fire.
The largest onshore wind turbines have a power of 1.5 MW. You need about 30 of these to equal the power of GZ.

Conclusion: There was plenty of combustible energy to be released by fires for 99 days.
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FYI, the University of California Davis "Delta" group did their own calculation. You can find it here:
Very Fine Aerosols from the World Trade Center Collapse Piles: Anaerobic Incineration?

... and they're thinking this:
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So, 85% of that last line's figure would be 36,550,000 megajoules. You and they disagree by an order of magnitude.

Despite the difference, I don't see anything unreasonable in your back-of-the-envelope calculation at all; I'd guess they simply dug a bit deeper for their numbers. I wouldn't even call yours wrong, necessarily, since the Delta group doesn't elaborate on what specifically they added up to get their figure. Still, though, regardless of whether it's 36MJ or 400MJ, the fact remains that there was plenty of combustibles present to account for the length of time the rubble pile burned. Even the lower figure is still plenty.

Anyway... thought you may be interested in other calculations. BTW, if you aren't able to download that presentation, I do have it on PowerPoint and can send it to you. Just PM me, and I'll take care of it later.
 
Clayton Moore said:
That's absurd. I'd like to hear what your fellow debunkers have to say about your assessment.
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The only thing that's truly absurd is your idiotic beliefs. Holocaust denial, 911 "Truth", Moon Landings were a hoax. You buy into every major conspiracy theory there is. It's quite sad.
 
Clayton Moore said:
At least you can take with you the absurdity of the debunker's explanation of fires in the the middle of NYC that lasted 99 days.
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Pray tell how else they could have lasted that long Clayton. Tell us what could have fueled those fires. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE say thermite and prove beyond a shadow of doubt your total and utter ignorance.
 
sylvan8798 said:
What would YOUR explanation be? If you are not going to provide us one, we can only assume you have utterly no idea. I don't know about other posters, but I find Oystein's calculations more convincing than "I have no idea". At least he has proposed SOMETHING.
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bump

We never close.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Even more hydrogen on/in the pile with three months of H2O squirted on it.
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I'm pretty sure water only separates into Hydrogen/Oxygen in extremely hot fires.

On the other hand, I'm absolutely certain you're just throwing nonsense at the wall and seeing what sticks.
 
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King of the Americas said:
I think the failure was institutional...
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Not a single debunker will disagree with that. In fact those were the findings of the 9/11 CR.

And yet, you openly posted what is known as an argument from incredulity with your statement about hijackers with box knives taking over the jets.

and your open incredulity about POTUS sitting in a classroom for 10 minutes reading a book.

Both of those arguments from incredulity show just how gullible and open to the 9/11 "twoof" you seem to be.
 
Clayton, what is your deal with the fires? What do you think them lasting so long in the debris proves?
 
Travis said:
Clayton, what is your deal with the fires? What do you think them lasting so long in the debris proves?
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Whatever man made product that was strategically activated on 9/11 after being strategically placed prior to the 9/11 event.
 
In other words: the ordinary office contents that were set ablaze by two jet airliners.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Whatever man made product that was strategically activated on 9/11 after being strategically placed prior to the 9/11 event.
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Can you please show any form of thermite burning for 99 days? It should be easy...

Feel free to show us any type of device (besides for a simple office fire) which would burn for 99 days... it should be simple.
 
Anything energetic enough to sever steel columns would burn off way before 99 days pass.
 
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