Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

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DeathDart said:
The information is all out there in the web, it is a Mosaic.
There is a lot of disinformation out there but when you go backward and forward testing the possibilities you start finding rational threads and motivations.

I may have had some help though I don't know who.

You are seeing the results of years of running back and forth on the threads.

I have difficulty remembering minutiae but once I understand something it is literally hardwired in. Information that does not fit with what I already understand is not incorporated. I can hold information in my minds hands and learn the shape of it.

A potential fact either grows weaker or stronger over time.

I prune the weak lines of logic and let the strong ones fend for themselves. I have no preferences.

Until I lost my anger and could become emotionally neutral, I could not find some of the subtle threads until recently. With the Bush administration gone more details have started showing up. There were too many witnesses to what they did, even if the conspirators remained silent.

All the information is out there.
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You don't know from where, you don't know from who, but somehow you've managed to formulate these opinions which have closed your mind as a result.

That's just sad.

It's not how rational people think.
 
The answer to the question that most people would ask is irrelevant from a logical point of view. The question is why would they do this, if you can get an answer from them, it may not make any sense.

Their actions can have a logic, but why can be entirely irrational.
 
What particular information do you want? It will take me a little bit to find it if you are patient?
 
DeathDart said:
I will make this more complicated

If something had been discovered that did not fit in with the Official Explanation, what would not have happened, that did? A fork in the time-line if you read sci fi.
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I am both an avid speculative fiction reader, and a fairly proficient amateur writer.

I still have no idea what you're talking about.

DeathDart said:
I will return with the security firm
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Please include, also, the law you said was broken.
 
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It appears that one of the previous posters has a good memory
It is Securacom

It is owned by a Kuwaiti company and a lot of its ground personnel are former Shin Bet Isreali Security. If you were a Kuwaiti would you trust Kuwaiti security personnel.

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htm

Marvin Bush joined Securacom when it was capitalized by the Kuwait-American Corporation, a private investment firm in D.C. that was the security company's major investor, sometimes holding a controlling interest. Marvin Bush has not responded to telephone calls and e-mails for comment.

KuwAm has been linked to the Bush family financially since the Gulf War. One of its principals and a member of the Kuwaiti royal family, Mishal Yousef Saud al Sabah, served on the board of Stratesec.

The managing director at KuwAm, Wirt D. Walker III, was also a principal at Stratesec, and Walker, Marvin Bush and al Sabah are listed in SEC filings as significant shareholders in both companies during that period.

Marvin Bush's last year on the board at Stratesec coincided with his first year on the board of HCC Insurance, formerly Houston Casualty Co., one of the insurance carriers for the WTC. He left the HCC board in November 2002.

But none of these connections has been looked at during the extensive investigations since 9/11. McDaniel says principals and other personnel at Stratesec have not been questioned or debriefed by the FBI or other investigators. Walker declined to answer the same question regarding KuwAm, referring to the public record.
 
I believe the scene of a mass murder would be a protected crime scene, unless you are trying to hide something.
 
FEMA Headquarters
One of the most interesting tenants was then-Mayor Giuliani's Office of Emergency Management, and its emergency command center on the 23rd floor. This floor received 15 million dollars worth of renovations, including independent and secure air and water supplies, and bullet and bomb resistant windows designed to withstand 200 MPH winds. 2 The 1993 bombing must have been part of the rationale for the command center, which overlooked the Twin Towers, a prime terrorist target.

How curious that on the day of the attack, Guiliani and his entourage set up shop in a different headquarters, abandoning the special bunker designed precisely for such an event.

Is curious the same as unusual?

http://www.wtc7.net/background.html
 
I spent several 1000 hours spinning my wheels trying to figure this out.
The first break was the Sibel Edmonds connection. The FBI didn't need to risk blowback by blackmailing anyone, they could watch another country blackmail someone and pick up the strings afterward.

The Israeli wiretapping equipment included a “maintenance port”
Israeli Companies Verint Narus(?)
Very Interesting http://acapella.harmony-central.com/archive/index.php/t-2688556.html

The Israelis had NSA like capabilities in the U.S.
 
Does anyone have a complete list of the individuals who were the head of counterintelligence for the FBI for the last 10 years? I have a few names but the FBI website is not very helpful.
 
I have had relatives who suffered at the hands of the Nazis.

I was named after a grandfather who fought at the Battle of the Bulge.

If you are calling me a Nazi, you better stay out of rifle range.

I do like the German #4 Reticles.
 
NoahFence said:
Sometimes?

So you're 100% sure that 9/11 was one of those times?

WHY IS IT SO DIFFICULT FOR YOU PEOPLE TO ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG?

Do you have the 1st idea what the SOP was for a hijacking? You think the 1st thing they're supposed to do is round up all the fighters we have and shoot first, ask questions later? Tell me - prior to 9/11, what percentage of hijackings resulted in the plane being slammed into a building?

Zero?

Why do you suppose it worked so well? You're railing against Bush here, with ZERO accurate information, ZERO ability to use common sense, and ZERO evidence of anything.

Why do you exist again? Just to steal MY air?




Back that up with evidence to support it.
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No, in training sorties aircraft do not fly with live air to air munitions. Sometimes when flying on air to ground training missions they will have live rounds in the gun and live air to ground ordinance. Launching a training sortie with live air to air munitions would be a very serious safety violation and involve disciplinary action for a great many people.
 
BStrong said:
And CSI would solve the case in 60 minutes.

Rescue/recovery/removal sonds logical and reasonable for an incident of this scale.
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Nice to see a noob with some clue as to how such things work.

Nice counter-balance for DeathDart, who obviously doesn't.
 
DeathDart said:
I have had relatives who suffered at the hands of the Nazis.

I was named after a grandfather who fought at the Battle of the Bulge.

If you are calling me a Nazi, you better stay out of rifle range.

I do like the German #4 Reticles.
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You are what the Nazis call a "useful idiot." You may not think you are fighting on their side, but you are. Or you actually are a Nazi.

Chill. I'm strapped myself and I practice regularly.
 
DeathDart said:
At first the actual hardware for Warrant-less wiretapping came from Israel since they are experts at it. They even sold a lot of the same technology to the Chinese to suppress dissidents.

They also sold the Chinese a lot of American Technology. After a while the Chinese started stealing it themselves to cut out the Israelis.

FBI Counterintelligence was ignoring the Israelis, and the field FBI knew it.
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Evidence?
 
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