Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

[NoahFence]

Have you read about these hijackers? Hardly cold-blooded killer types according to their flight instructors. And they used these box cutters to open up jugulars did they?

A bigot? Getting desperate?

PLEASE don't tell me you're insinuating box cutters can't cut a man's neck.

PLEASE

And yea, these guys were in flight school and murdered their classmates on lunch break.

 

[grandmastershek]

Getting desperate?

irony...

“This is someone who can walk into a room and seem like your average Joe,” said Scott Bonn, an assistant professor of sociology at Drew University in Madison, N.J., and a serial-killer researcher. “He has to be persuasive enough and rational enough that he is able to convince these women to meet him on these terms. He has demonstrated social skills. He may even be charming.”

If boxcutters are so harmless try some home experiments & post the videos.

 

[Travis]

Pretty much anything thrown falls in an arc unless it sticks into an obstickale such as a building.

First off, as noted, those are bits of aluminum cladding.

Secondly, they originated from way above their current position.

Thirdly, none of this is contrary to the physics involved from a collapse.

 

[DaveThomasNMSR]

First off, as noted, those are bits of aluminum cladding.

Secondly, they originated from way above their current position.

Thirdly, none of this is contrary to the physics involved from a collapse.

Cheers, Dave

 

[WildCat]

Have you read about these hijackers? Hardly cold-blooded killer types according to their flight instructors.

And according to their neighbors serial killers are just quiet normal people who are friendly and even shovel their neighbors sidewalk on occasion and they're just shocked that 32 bodies were found in the crawl space.

 

[beachnut]

Have you read about these hijackers? Hardly cold-blooded killer types according to their flight instructors. And they used these box cutters to open up jugulars did they?

A bigot? Getting desperate?

If you don't kill the pilots, the pilots can render the plane non-flyable in a few seconds. How are the pilots to know they are about to die when the idiots rush the cockpit? What would you do when you are strapped in with shoulder harnesses and a seatbelt? How are you going to protect your neck? Every fight someone with a knife, strapped int to a seat with your back to your attacker? Come on big tough guy, is your neck indestructible? You know how long you have when you neck is cut? Guess what the idiot terrorist did at terrorist training camp? Learned how to cut throats, and they did better at it than you have at understanding 911. Now that is ironic, kind of. Terrorists are better at being killers than you are at understanding 911. Classic 911 truth; infinite fail.

http://www.chandlerswatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/9_11-hijackers.jpg
They look like murderers, and the kind of people who can't think for themselves like 911 truth cult followers.

Cutting throats is easy when the people who you are killing have no idea what you are about to do, and when they are wearing shoulder harness and seat-belts. The terrorist pilots did not have to cut throats, they brought 3 to 4 friends to kill the pilots, you have to kill both pilots at the same time.

You sound like a bigot saying the terrorists can't kill people because they are weaklings. There were terrorists, idiots who kill for a spoiled rich kid playing terrorist leader, now playing shark bait.

You don't do much research. Atta looks like a murderer, in fact all of them look like killers. They don't look very smart, but they figured out 911 before you did.

Atta was very unfriendly with everyone

Atta and Shehhi arrived in Florida, they initially stayed with Huffman's bookkeeper and his wife in a spare room of their house. After a week, they were asked to leave because they were rude

Rude murderers. Failures, but they figure out 911, and you can't.


Got anyone who came forward to break 911 wide open?

 

[tempesta29]

Yeah brilliant stuff. Not only have buildings of those size and strength never been demolished, but these CDs would not have been intended to minimize collateral damage at all. In fact the more professional the execution the more the illusion would falter.

 

[tempesta29]

Thanks... I know this. Richard says the destruction of these buildings has all the hallmarks of of a classic controlled demolition, except when it does not. That's kind of an undercurrent throughout my rebuttal, so I keep going back to classic controlled demo so Richard et al will have to say "here is yet another example of where it is NOT like a classic CD." Eventually it may dawn on people that this really isn't much like a CD at all.

What is it much like then? A collapse due to debris damage? Find me one video of a large building damaged on one side that did anything but topple in that direction.

 

[sylvan8798]

Pretty much anything thrown falls in an arc unless it sticks into an obstickale such as a building.

Does "pretty much" exclude some objects? Care to elaborate on what those might be? Hint: even those objects sticking into obstacles fall in parabolic motion until they do. Physics 101.

 

[triforcharity]

Let's play a little game of NAME THAT FALLACY!!

Up first is Temp!!

Can you NAME THAT FALLACY?!?!?!?!

 

[Oystein]

Yeah brilliant stuff. Not only have buildings of those size and strength never been demolished,

Correct. You could and should make a full stop there. Glad you finally stumbled upon a true fact.

but these CDs would not have been intended to minimize collateral damage at all. In fact the more professional the execution the more the illusion would falter.

Makes sense.
Well if these demolitions were not intended to be conmtrolled, and if indeed they were intended NOT to look like CD, why does nearly everybody in the truth movement promote this false meme that they did look like CD? Maybe you should have a little talk with your truther buddies, and not with us.

 

[Oystein]

What is it much like then? A collapse due to debris damage? Find me one video of a large building damaged on one side that did anything but topple in that direction.

You kinda forgot about the fires.
You know, those wobbly, orangish things that, according to everybody who knows the slightest bit about the engineering reports about the three buildings, were chiefly responsible for the collapse initiations?
Looks like an uncontrolled gravitational collapse due to fires and plane crashes.

 

[Dave Rogers]

You haven't supported your argument. You claim that stage 1 buckled all of the columns in the section of WTC 7 that collapsed in stage 2, that all of that steel was buckled before it collapsed, hence the free fall.

Wrong. You're the one making the positive claim here - that structural steel must always present resistance to a collapse - and I'm pointing out that your claim is invalid because inelastic buckling and plastic hinge fracture can completely remove any resistance to collapse by a steel column, and that it's reasonable to infer from the dynamics of the collapse that this was the actual process that led to a near free-fall phase. If you want to address that argument, I suggest you learn a few of the basic concepts behind the theory you're trying to put forward, because all you're doing at the moment is highlighting your total ignorance of the subject.

Dave

 

[Oystein]

No you don't. You have no evidence of that,

Yes, I do have evidence, and I told you what it is:
The very existence of stage 1 is the evidence! The fact that during stage 1, the entire north wall fell at increasing acceleration. A structural assembly that startet out standing still on the ground falls only when structural members below buckle.
So the existence of a falling wall is the evidence that columns below buckled. Had they not buckled, nothing would have moved.
The fact that they fell at less than g during stage 1 is prove that all columns were not severed simultaneously by explosives.

So stage 1 is the evidence that all columns on the north wall buckled gradually, until, at the beginning of stage 2, they all had buckled completely.

and for the most part, what you said doesn't even make sense.

For the most part, you, personally, just dont grasp the sense.

Once collapse is initiated, columns meet the upward force applied by the ground (and growing debris pile) below them.

Only if the coluns are unbuckled all the way up from the ground.
The fact that the entire wall already fell during stage 1 proves 100% that the columns were not unbuckled.

There is no evidence that all of these columns had already buckled before encountering this force.

Explain how all og the north wall could move downwards during stage 1 if not all of the columns below were in the process of buckling!

If you have it, show it. You'd think NIST would have demonstrated such evidence when they admitted free fall in the first place. They didn't.

I have it: Stage 1. That's when the north wall already fell, but not yet at g, which means that some resistance was left. During stage 1, acceleration increased, which means that gradually, resistance decreased. This is equivalent to columns (all of them, because all of the north wall fell as a unit) gradually buckling instead of being instantaneously severed by explosives or the like.

 

[Dave Rogers]

What is it much like then? A collapse due to debris damage? Find me one video of a large building damaged on one side that did anything but topple in that direction.

I'm a little confused here. Recently you refused to say what the collapses should have looked like, because the fact that the buildings collapsed at all means that they must have been deliberately demolished. Now you're saying that they should have toppled in the direction of the impact damage, so it seems that you do have some idea of what the collapses shoud have looked like. So you're saying that the buildings shouldn't have collapsed at all, and that they should have toppled sideways. Do you sincerely believe two contradictory things, or are you just making up whatever fantasy you can to disagree with every line of argument that doesn't support your conclusion?

Dave

 

[Bell]

Too bad the arrow in your photo is pointing to aluminum cladding, not steel beams..........another troofer fail

*ding ding ding*

 

[Cuddles]

Several posts have been removed to AAH. Just because this is a general thread does not mean you are free to bicker and insult each other.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Cuddles

 

[ElMondoHummus]

What is it much like then? A collapse due to debris damage? Find me one video of a large building damaged on one side that did anything but topple in that direction.

Answered years ago.

Any discussion of how the towers fell on 9/11 requires a fundamental understanding of how buildings collapse and an examination of the damage inflicted upon adjacent structures that morning.

A tall office building cannot be made to tip over like a tree. Reinforced concrete smokestacks and industrial towers can, due to their small footprint and inherently monolithic properties. However, because typical human-inhabited buildings (and their supporting elements) are spread over a larger area and are not nearly as rigid, the laws of gravity cause them to begin collapsing downward upon being weakened or tipped off center to a certain point. Blasters are well aware of this and often rely on this principle in designing upper-floor charge patterns to maximize breakage and in predicting debris drop zones.

The collapse of towers 1 and 2 followed this principle exactly. When the impact floors of both towers eventually failed, the upper sections did not simply tumble over onto the street below, rather they tilted while simultaneously collapsing downward.

 

[NoahFence]

What is it much like then? A collapse due to debris damage? Find me one video of a large building damaged on one side that did anything but topple in that direction.

There are no video's of 110 story buildings after being hit by an aircraft going 500mph aside from the Trade Centers. So we have to use those for our examples.

I'm guessing it's "much like" a building being hit by an airplane. Call me kooky.

 

[triforcharity]

Have you read about these hijackers? Hardly cold-blooded killer types according to their flight instructors. And they used these box cutters to open up jugulars did they?

Wow, your ignorance knows no bounds.

So, flight instructors are now psychic? They can tell is someone could be a cold-blooded killer just by talking to them? How AWESOME!!

Yes, box cutters also know as razor knives. It is quite easy to use a knife like that to slice someone open. Ever watch prison shows on TV? Those guys take the tiny razors out of their shaving kits, and slice people down to the bone.

Would you like to see some pictures of this? I can point you in the direction of some.

WARNING*** EXTREMELY GRAPHIC IMAGE. NSFW!!

I've warned you, these images are very graphic.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:7,s:23&biw=1345&bih=583

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