If someone is claiming to know how many people it would take, then they must also be claiming a scenario in which this estimate was made. I wasn't asking for someone to make an estimate, I asked for an estimate that was already made.
UNless you come up with a plausible narrative, no one can come up with an estimate.
A bunch of weaklings overpowering 4 commercial airliners with exacto knives seems less likely to me.
Wowsers... ignorance and incredulity. cool.
weaklings?
Have you bothered to read the 9/11 CR, or the other fantastic references like Looming Tower, Perfect Soldiers, spying blind?
The four muscle terrorists on each flight were anything but weaklings.
overpowering 4 commercial airliners...
Did they fight EACH and every person? nope. They sat in first class and business which were very sparsely populated. They used mace/pepper spray as per betty ong, they grabbed someone and stabbed them (as per betty ong) and then (now it is supposition) used a very simple technique "open the door or I'll kill her/him" or even better, just probably opened the doors themselves.
Or are you saying the "top gun pilots" would be able to overcome 5 hijackers iwth knives? Can you fight someone if you are strapped into a seat and cannot stand?
what were the procedures for hijackings pre 9/11... you might want to look them up.
xacto knives? Oh... yes... box cutters, and four inch folding knives... Your ignorance and incredulity are amazing. Have you ever seen the kind of damage a boxcutter can do in a fight? especailly if you are strapped into a seat and can't stand up? especially if prior to 9/11 no one had ever killed the pilots by slicing their throats....
My students in china almost all carried box cutters for protection... they are cheap, easy to use, and have multiple purposes (like for cutting thing) but they are not illegal. Do some searches for box cutter fight pictures... they aren't pretty.
arguments from incredulity rejected...
I'll make you a deal... meet me in Dubai, we can rent a small room, I can strap you into a chair like the pilots seat and I can show you exactly how much damage an xacto knife, and a box cutter can do.... mkay? (of course you will have to sign a waiver for insurance purposes)
The US military and US intelligence agencies, however, specialize in compartmentalizing information, subverting security, and just generally being brutal.
Ah yes... the appeal to magic.
Even if they are masters of compartmentalizing... some people would be able to piece it together... There would be leaks.
of course now the US military are part of it too... I love the belief by folks that the military are mindless automotons who blindly follow orders, and of course US intelligence is black hearted spys who would order the deaths of their fellow citizens...
Your theory... who is involved, then we'll be happy to tell you an estimate.
Of course it also means anyone involved in the clean up is either a in on it b ignorant and stupid c completely clueless...
So for some to think this is "impossible" is just ridiculous.
You are right. It isn't "impossible." Do you know what else isn't impossible? It is fully possible for you to flip a coin 50 times straight and have them all land as heads. It is fully possible. the probability of it happening are soooooooo remote that for all intents and purposes it is "impossible." (ask any statistician). It isn't impossible to be struck by lightening. twice.... or thrice... or even seven times. (which has happened to one man) but for all intents and purposes it is so remote that it is "impossible" that you would be struck by lightening more than 2x. Many things are possible that are so remote.
The purpose isn't to find any possibility. But to find one that a. fits the evidence we have b. that has any possibility of occuring c. that explains the events in a simpler manner... nothing any truther has ever come up with does that. why not?
And no, I'm not interested in coming up with a narrative. I'm not a storyteller, nor am I claiming that the conspiracy was less than complex. Someone claimed to know how many people it would take and I wanted more information about that.
ah yes... the no claimer... a rare bird. Unfortunately the burden of proof is on the claimant. That would be YOU and the truth movement. The common narrative explains the events of the day very well, it follows the KISS rule of military operations and it flows logically...
So give us a theory, and I'll happily give you a rough estimate of the number of people who would HAVE to be involved in some direct way, and others who would have to be involved indirectly.
Wires in building debris? Stop the presses.
Since the wires used for detonating explosives are VERY specific... yes... stop the presses. They don't just "blend in." That leaves out all of the wrappings, the left over explosives, the residue of explosives, the tell tale damage to the columns.....
argument from ignorance (do you have any other type of arguments?)
Frankly, we don't know what type of explosives would have been used. It's commonly believed that the US military has the most advanced technology on the planet, so comparing this type of job with a commercial one is valueless.
Appeal to magic fallacy... yet again.
Explosives follow certain chemical rules... feel free to find an explosive that is capable of cutting steel that doesn't... I'm sure the Nobel committee would love to hear about it.
And back to the mindless automotons in the military with no conscious... Yup... they would willingly murder 3000 civilians... (your ignorance and incredulity are showing again)
Your entire argument is predicated on conjecture.
Not at all..
but if I conjecture
1. you have never served in the military and don't know much about it.
2. you have no idea about construction or more importantly demolitions
3. you are terrified that some random individual would be willing to murder you just because you are different.
4. that you feel that it is easier to blame "them" "da gubmint" for all the problems in your own life instead of taking responsibility for your own actions and failings.
5. that you hate the US (or maybe it was GWB) so much that instead of using any type of thought processes which starts with the simpliest explaination, you have to construct massive fantasies filled with mindless automotons who would murder you because they follow orders, with a set of ruthless blackhearted individuals above them... What a terrifying world you must live in....
