bigjelmapro
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Never said it doesn't exist. But the issue of whether there's legal precedent that discrimination exist, as you do poorly with yet another bout of cut-and-paste job below, is another discussion altogether.
Neither am I claiming that racism doesn't exist in Israeli society if you want to go down that road as well.
'Facts' based on hapless arguments by NGO's with political agendas. I don't know why this argument constantly boils down to an issue of the 'far right' either since this supposed discrimination has taken places throughout different Israeli governments of opposing political alignments.
No provision as there's no constitution and no Bill of Rights. I would love to see where this argument of no 'constitutional equality' comes from...
'Not allowed' and 'choose not to' are not interchangeable. I've personally served with Druze and under Druze commanders and they receive exactly the same benefits as I do.
There's preferential treatment to those who serve in the military as well in the US, Canada, UK, and other developed nations. This is perfectly justifiable under national service. Or do you not agree?
There's a distinction between 'state secular, state religious, ultra orthodox, communal settlement schools, and Arab schools' in the 1953 law. There's also separate curriculums for the Arab/Druze communities and Jewish communities with their own emphasis on what should be taught. In E. J'lem and the WB, the Arab communities follow a Jordanian-styled curriculum, a remnant of the Jordanian occupation between 1948-67.
As for Israel's history, I don't see how this is different from teaching American history. Whether one is patriotic is another thing. Is this discrimination against say the Irish immigrants or the native Americans? I guess one can strech the argument their way.
There are Arab schools with their own curriculum that don't require religious texts such as torah studies. Instead, these are replaced by Islamic or Christian studies depending on where one is located, from Christian Druze to Muslim Arab. Where do you think this whole drivel about teaching the 'nakba' at Arab schools came from?
So I call BS on this above claim.
And yet there's the affirmative action policy that goes beyond that of the proportion of Israeli Arabs that exist in Israel. Fancy that.
Also cuts into the generalization that there would be schools for semi-nomadic peoples available.
There's no doubt that there's a disparity between funding in W. and E. J'lem, but the first thing that can be done to close this gap is for Arabs in E. J'lem to run for office in order to have a say in budgetary issues and to train teachers who have an interest to teach in places like Silwan, which at present, don't really exist. On top of this is the issue of those parents who don't have a valid permanent residency card in E. J'lem and hence are not entitled to state funding for an education.
As for higher education, more often than not nowadays, E. J'lem, Galilee and WB residents go outside Israel to places like Jordan since Universities are taught there in Arabic rather than most Israeli universities, which are predominantly in Hebrew.
There's no concept of an oath in other countries? Do you actually have an interest into going into another bout of the inclusion of the term 'Jewish' argument? This adds to the argument that taking an oath that accepts Israel as a democratic and Jewish state somehow negates equality, automatically discriminates against non-Jews and somehow takes away from one's identity.
Welcome to this bit of the thread as well.
Ever seen these villages and how they from time to time, change location? Welcome to the Negev. I don't know about you, but hooking these villages up to an electricity grid, sewage systems, or have a school teacher follow a semi-nomadic people around the desert doesn't seem that functional. Again, there was a period where Israel tried to set up stationary towns. This only worked to a certain degree and not much success. Then again, it wasn't as intrusive as say the American or Canadian versions over a couple hundred years of forced integration, ethnocide, genocide, etc. But hey, that's passe eh?
One of the few Israeli policies that was a success was raising the literacy levels of bedoins. But that's setting that bar too low.
There was a thread about this not too long ago as well....
Quite a stretch to go from a knesset law to that of claiming exclusive Jewish settlements. See where this whole bit of an NGO with a political agenda comes into play? Issues like these occur predominantly in the Negev with bedoins (attempts to change that status, which is more than I can say with those residing in say, the Sinai whom enjoy limited rights to land) and I would dare say that this is still an issue to be resolved and won't go tripping over myself to make this assertion of 'Jewish settlements'.
But I can see the need to obfuscate Palestinian and Israeli Arab here when discussing issues in Israel proper and the disputed territories, as WC already mentioned.
A lot of it is the concept of state land (aka crown land in other developed nations albeit with subtle differences). Residing on state land (which also carried over from the Ottoman period) does not automatically imply that one owns it. Its a difficult concept to fathom, I know.
These are some of the issues already discussed ad naseum on this board, so welcome to this forum and thanks for another cut-and-paste job.
And yet you're quoting supposed laws that supposedly discriminate from a variety of governments throughout Israel's history, from the left, to the right, to coalition combinations of the two.
Did I miss anything or you going to reply to any of this? Otherwise I feel that this cut-and-paste jobs might just be a trend. I hope not...
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