Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

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tempesta29 said:
Non-sequitur. Red herring.

I asked a simple question in response to a claim that the number of people required to pull of an inside job was determined.
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And he answered you with a very general answer.

Until you can come up with a plausible theory of how it was done, how can we possibly give you a rough estimate of the number of people involved?

As for the common narrative, the number was probably less than 30. 19 hijackers, some handlers, the top planners and the money folks who knew what was going on.

They followed the KISS rule perfectly. 5 people per plane, hijack, crash. Wowsers... amazingly complicated plan.

Could the military/black ops groups do the same, or similar? yup... if they wanted to, they could probably kill tens of thousands with less than 100 knowing (w/out nuclear weapons or lab designed bioweapons... just from easily accessable items...)

So come up with a narrative which explains the day, and then i'm sure we'd love to estimate the numbers of people... until then this is just truthers dancing on mouthpiece of a bong.
 
tempesta29 said:
Explain what happened in stage 1? That's your question? And that will somehow explain why stage 2 was free fall? I already addressed this (and so did NIST): the fact that stage 1 wasn't free fall doesn't magically explain why stage 2 was. Force acts against steel columns and those columns react, period. Columns didn't "pre-buckle" before this collapse force acted against them.
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Look, if this is meant as a form of performance art, I have to point out that, however entertaining, it's not exactly novel. We all know that stage 1 was the stage where the columns buckled, that stage 2 was the stage after they broke, and stage 3 was the stage after the top block hit the remaining structure. Your argument is that the columns couldn't have broken because there was no time after they broke for them to break. Honestly, what you're saying is really that stupid. But we've seen things just as stupid said here for years.

Dave
 
tempesta29 said:
Thanks for confirming that this estimate was/is utter hogwash. You claim 1000+ agents at Fresh Kills would have to be "in on it" but don't establish why. Then you claim a "significant" number of the massive number of first responders and cleanup workers would also have to be in on it. And what are you expecting them to find again? Blast caps?
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argument from incredulity and ignorance noted.

With the Fort worth demoltion (mentioned in another thread) there was over 7 MILES of wiring... all of that was in the debris.

there would have been blasting caps. there would have been some unexploded explosives, some residue.... what were the explosives held in? theyre would have been debris. Since everything was hand sorted down to things less than the size of a quarter, lots of that would have been found. Yet... nothing. Not one person comes forward to state "gee, I found some interesting stuff on 9/11" Not one...

<here comes, but they weren't expressly looking for CD/blasting caps and wouldn't notice it.....>
 
tempesta29 said:
You claim 1000+ agents at Fresh Kills would have to be "in on it" but don't establish why. Then you claim a "significant" number of the massive number of first responders and cleanup workers would also have to be in on it. And what are you expecting them to find again? Blast caps?
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Evidence of whatever devices were used to make the towers fall.

Now, let's see your numbers. For the conspiracy you are proposing, what is the number of conspirators required? Let's see whether you've left any out. Or are you too much of an intellectual coward to offer any ideas of your own?

Dave
 
TruthersLie said:
Not one person comes forward to state "gee, I found some interesting stuff on 9/11" Not one...

<here comes, but they weren't expressly looking for CD/blasting caps and wouldn't notice it.....>
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The Truther response that these people would be in fear for their lives irks me the most in light of the number of people who have joined the various branches of the military since 9/11 and deployed to Iraq and/or Afghanistan where they had to fear for their lives, and many were injured in dreadful ways, and even died there. :(
 
Dave Rogers said:
Look, if this is meant as a form of performance art, I have to point out that, however entertaining, it's not exactly novel. We all know that stage 1 was the stage where the columns buckled, that stage 2 was the stage after they broke, and stage 3 was the stage after the top block hit the remaining structure. Your argument is that the columns couldn't have broken because there was no time after they broke for them to break. Honestly, what you're saying is really that stupid. But we've seen things just as stupid said here for years.

Dave
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Hold it right there: "stage 1 was the stage where the columns buckled". Which columns? All of the columns that crashed in stage 2? All of these columns buckled? Utter nonsense. What you're implying is that stage 1 turned WTC 7 into a house of cards.

This argument is so amazingly half ass.
 
tempesta29 said:
Hold it right there: "stage 1 was the stage where the columns buckled". Which columns? All of the columns that crashed in stage 2? All of these columns buckled? Utter nonsense. What you're implying is that stage 1 turned WTC 7 into a house of cards.

This argument is so amazingly half ass.
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As I think has already been pointed out, the argument from incredulity is neither new nor insightful.

Dave
 
tempesta29 said:
So no answer then. How many people would it take and how did you achieve this figure?
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Well of course it depends on exactly which truther theory we're dealing with.

Do we have to account for the number of people who operated the holograph machine that made the fake planes?

Or the pilot of the jet who fired the missile at the Pentagon and the people who later rushed in to plant burnt plane wreckage?

Or the number of people who operated voice changing devices that sounded like the people on the plane? Also we'd have to include the people who researched who would be on what flights and what their voices sounded like. Also their safe combinations.

Then there are all the people that would have been required to plant all the explosives for the clearly obvious controlled demolitions without being seen. Plus the people who invented explosives that make no sound. That's probably a pretty big number.

OH MY GOD! It all just became so clear to me. Not only are 9/11 ct'ers right but so are bigfoot enthusiasts! At least the ones keen enough to know that bigfeet exist but are invisible.

THEY USED INVISIBLE BIGFOOTS TO SECRETLY PLANT SILENT EXPLOSIVES IN THE WORLD TRADE TOWERS!!!
 
tempesta29 said:
Go ahead and cite what happens in stage 1 in the NIST report and let's see if they connect some occurrence from that stage to the free fall in stage 2. What you're implying is that all of the ability for stage 2 steel to resist collapse had already been removed in stage 1. There is nothing to support this.

Clearly you're a believer in magic.
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Where's the explosive residue? You're up against the Law of Conservation of Matter here.
 
Am I the only one that just read a demand for exact numbers of people involved in a conspiracy that clearly didn't happen?

Because boy, that would a really, really silly thing to demand...
 
Craig4 said:
Where's the explosive residue? You're up against the Law of Conservation of Matter here.
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Apart from the thermite chips that were found, if you're not looking for residue you're not going to find any. That seems to be the gist of the bogus NIST "study."

Maybe, while we are looking for things, one of the trusters can enlighten us with where the four black boxes from planes that crashed into the towers are? Or more directly who took them?
 
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