Vaccine/autism CT discussion

[fullflavormenthol]

...The only thing/body intrusion all these children have in common in their environment are the vaccines.

Well that and living in a society with trained professionals who are able to diagnose autism, but lets forget all about that.

Did you know that in societies without doctors and modern medicine there will be no diagnosis of cancer.

 

[Travis]

Clearly the path to immortality is to outlaw doctors.

 

[fullflavormenthol]

Clearly the path to immortality is to outlaw doctors.

Well if they can't diagnose a disease than it doesn't exist....

 

[Travis]

The HIV reference was to show the value of record keeping and the ability to identify virus strains. Science.

BTW Autism is a condition not a disease.

Inherited tendencies toward a condition do not appear world wide.

The only thing/body intrusion all these children have in common in their environment are the vaccines.

Wow. There are children that don't drink water? Or eat food? Or you know loads of other common factors.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Wow. There are children that don't drink water? Or eat food? Or you know loads of other common factors.

You think children getting autism is some sort of joke. Good job.

 

[fullflavormenthol]

No. What he is pointing out is that any correlation can be made even if thar correlation means nothing. You are ignoring that that the increase exists on a society that can diagnose autism. This makes a huge difference.

NOTE: iPhone autocorrects in a weird way...so my grammar may be off.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

The only thing/body intrusion all these children have in common in their environment are the vaccines.

Does opting out of vaccines give a child an immunity to autism?

 

[Clayton Moore]

Does opting out of vaccines give a child an immunity to autism?

Immunity?

I'm sure patient records are available to provide an answer.

 

[Tomblvd]

Immunity?

I'm sure patient records are available to provide an answer.

You made this statement:

The only thing/body intrusion all these children have in common in their environment are the vaccines.

If you aren't sure of the facts, how can you make that definitive assertion?

So I'll ask in a slightly different way, are there autistic children who have not received vaccines?

 

[AmandaM]

So I'll ask in a slightly different way, are there autistic children who have not received vaccines?

He's already addressed that -- unvaccinated children who are diagnosed with autism inherited it from their vaccinated parents. I believe he called it genetic weakening.

 

[Tomblvd]

He's already addressed that -- unvaccinated children who are diagnosed with autism inherited it from their vaccinated parents. I believe he called it genetic weakening.

I hope there's a study showing that. ;-)

Sounds like "water memory".....

 

[Grassy Knowlington]

He's already addressed that -- unvaccinated children who are diagnosed with autism inherited it from their vaccinated parents. I believe he called it genetic weakening.

Of course, as we all know the CIA writes Wikipedia but this cites that cases of autism (a term coined later) were reported before vaccinations....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism#History

 

[whatthebutlersaw]

He's already addressed that -- unvaccinated children who are diagnosed with autism inherited it from their vaccinated parents. I believe he called it genetic weakening.

Lamarckism in action? That's GREAT news - that means my kids won't need retainers since I had my teeth straightened! W00t!

Should I get a boob job next? What if I have sons?

 

[Travis]

Immunity?

I'm sure patient records are available to provide an answer.

I guess that study from Denmark didn't have any patient records since you choose to ignore it.

 

[Clayton Moore]

I guess that study from Denmark didn't have any patient records since you choose to ignore it.

Link?

 

[TheRedWorm]

You could try googling Denmark vaccine study

 

[TobiasTheViking]

Wow. There are children that don't drink water? Or eat food? Or you know loads of other common factors.

I approve of this message!

 

[Clayton Moore]

You could try googling Denmark vaccine study

I could, but he could have just conjured it up which seems to be a common want here.

 

[carlitos]

Amnesia?

I could, but he could have just conjured it up which seems to be a common want here.

Dude, YOU posted this study here (and mis-characterized the findings).

See the link I posted above.
The second study (the one released in 1998, the same year as Wakefield's rubbish) was in Sweden, and looked at autism rates pre-MMR and post-MMR and found no change at all. Using thousands and thousands of children.

There you go...job done.

I'll give you a chance to read it again.

Pre seems to be MMR with thimerosal
Post seems to be MMR without thimerosal

This study was prompted by findings reported to the Institute of Medicine by Blaxill in July 2001, which showed increases in autism incidence in California in association
with increases in the use of thimerosal-containing vaccines during the 1990s. To further examine the plausibility of this finding, this study took advantage of the
cessation of thimerosal use in Denmark and Sweden in 1992 to conduct a before and after comparison of the incidence or case numbers of autism. In both countries, autism increases throughout the years 1987-1999, contrary to the decrease in autism that would be expected after 1992 if thimerosal exposure was related to autism. The increasing trend for autism is most notable in Denmark where the number of autism cases rises substantially even after the discontinuation of thimerosal use. The results were published in the American Journal of Preventive Medicine (Aug 2003; 25(2):101-6)

 

[fullflavormenthol]

Dude, YOU posted this study here (and mis-characterized the findings).

Ouch!