Vaccine/autism CT discussion

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Clayton Moore said:
A simple study of children who don't get vaccines and their autism numbers would settle the issue. It would be historical data so no child would be endangered.
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See the link I posted above.
The second study (the one released in 1998, the same year as Wakefield's rubbish) was in Sweden, and looked at autism rates pre-MMR and post-MMR and found no change at all. Using thousands and thousands of children.

There you go...job done.
 
Tolls said:
See the link I posted above.
The second study (the one released in 1998, the same year as Wakefield's rubbish) was in Sweden, and looked at autism rates pre-MMR and post-MMR and found no change at all. Using thousands and thousands of children.

There you go...job done.
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I'll give you a chance to read it again.

Pre seems to be MMR with thimerosal
Post seems to be MMR without thimerosal



This study was prompted by findings reported to the Institute of Medicine by Blaxill in July 2001, which showed increases in autism incidence in California in association
with increases in the use of thimerosal-containing vaccines during the 1990s. To further examine the plausibility of this finding, this study took advantage of the
cessation of thimerosal use in Denmark and Sweden in 1992 to conduct a before and after comparison of the incidence or case numbers of autism. In both countries, autism increases throughout the years 1987-1999, contrary to the decrease in autism that would be expected after 1992 if thimerosal exposure was related to autism. The increasing trend for autism is most notable in Denmark where the number of autism cases rises substantially even after the discontinuation of thimerosal use. The results were published in the American Journal of Preventive Medicine (Aug 2003; 25(2):101-6)
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Clayton Moore said:
I was providing vaccine/autism CT info for catsmate1.
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Your "information" is rubbish; a mix of long debunked misinformation, distortions and outright lies. Perhaps if you tried more reputable sources you might find something closer to reality.

Oh and you still haven't answered any of the points I mentioned. But hey that's normal for woosters.

Clayton Moore said:
CDC vaccine scientist who downplayed links to autism indicted by DOJ in alleged fraud scheme

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/032216_Thorsen_fraud.html#ixzz1LvF20OTt




Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/032216_Thorsen_fraud.html#ixzz1LvGpeU00
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Would these "Vaccine Profiteers" include the same Wakefield embraced by anti-vax woosters? The one who patented a single dose measles vaccine that had no market until false doubt was spread about MMR? :rolleyes:
 
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aggle-rithm said:
Here's a link that seems to confirm Clayton's claim that pharmaceutical companies want to profit from vaccines:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/03/09/us-vaccines-analysis-idUSTRE5281SD20090309

Except that:



Which means they are JUST STARTING to look to vaccines as a profit vehicle. And that is mostly because of brand-new technologies such as various cancer vaccines.

How many babies have been victimized by cancer vaccines?
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Indeed, vaccines were oh-so profitable that the number of pharma companies producing them dropped from two dozen to 2-3 over the last few decades. After all, there was money to be not made.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Pre seems to be MMR with thimerosal
Post seems to be MMR without thimerosal
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... ignoring the teeny tiny fact that "... (MMR) vaccines do not and never did contain thimerosal. Varicella (chickenpox), inactivated polio (IPV), and pneumococcal conjugate vaccines have also never contained thimerosal."

Not to mention that the last lots of childhood vaccine to use thimerosal expired in January 2003 -- tell us all: what has happened to ASD rates since then? Well, as of 2009 the rate had doubled over 2003's numbers.


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Clayton Moore said:
http://www.iirusa.com/vbc/welcome.xml

You might want to check out the conference again.
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What does it matter if it is profitable?

You what's also profitable? Building MRI machines! Do you think they'll kill you? You know what else is profitable? Building elevators or lifts! Do you avoid them?

If you spend your life avoiding anything built or made for profit you'll end up in a cave.
 
Clayton Moore said:
That just means everyone got the same regimen of vaccines and some, I think 1 out 110 is the latest number, are stricken with autism.
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No, not "just". Those 1-2 per 1000 (as of 2006) are then compared with the others to see what risk factors the two groups may share.
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Clayton Moore said:
Child 2. MMR at 15 months - head banging 2 weeks later.
Hyperactive from 18 months.
Endoscopy - aphthoid ulcer at hepatic flexure
Caecum: lymphoid nodular hyperplasia with erythematous rim and pale swollen
core.
Histology, Ileum mild inflammation, colon moderate inflammation
Acute and chronic inflammation.
Treated CT3211 [a dietary treatment]
INDETERMINATE COLITIS** ? CROHN’S DISEASE
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You don't have a clue. That's what multiple vaccines do to babies.
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I hate Crohn's disease. It is an evil soul destroying force. If Crohn's disease was a person, I would wish Crohn's disease on him. He'd deserve it.

My sister, my father and my aunt have Crohn's. And I can say with absolute certainty that you don't know a damn thing about it.

Between my mom, dad, 2 brothers, 2 sisters, 4 aunts, 4 uncles and 19 cousins however, all but one of us have been properly vaccinated and only three have Crohn's.

There goes your theory.

This is what NOT vaccinating babies does to them.
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I know you don't care Clayton, because that child isn't white. But for those of us who do care, no child of any skin color will ever suffer like that again because of vaccines.

Suck it down, mein herr.
 
Clayton Moore said:
http://www.iirusa.com/vbc/welcome.xml

You might want to check out the conference again.
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OK, let's look at these:

Intercell - Makes vaccines, but none of them seem to be for children
Nabi - They make nicotine addiction fighting stuff
Biosante - The only vaccine they make fights cancer
GlobeImmune - Most of their products are for fighting cancer and hepatitis, although they do seem to have a product for fighting influenza in the research stage.
Novavax - These guys make vaccines for h1n1, the flu, and are working on Herpes and HIV
Syntiron - Their vaccines seem to be for fighting bacterial infections
Bavarian-Nordic - Makes vaccines for Smallpox and HPV.
Medicago - Vaccines for H1n1. Influenza and h5n1
Merck- makes vaccines. So does GSK
Vaxinnate- Makes influenza vaccines

So this big conference seems to mostly include pharma companies that produce or develop vaccines for rather adult conditions.

I stand by my statement.
 
Travis said:
If you spend your life avoiding anything built or made for profit you'll end up in a cave.
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And not even then if I own the cave as I'll ask for rent if he wants to stay in there. Which means profit for me!
 
A Cave in a disputed zone with no property rights!
 
Clayton Moore said:
Did you know vaccine "testing" of vaccines is done only on healthy children?
And that 60% of children are not considered healthy enough to participate. Which is super scary in that almost all children will be required to receive the vaccine.
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What is super scary is that you cannot figure out why this is so.
 
TSR said:
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... ignoring the teeny tiny fact that "... (MMR) vaccines do not and never did contain thimerosal. Varicella (chickenpox), inactivated polio (IPV), and pneumococcal conjugate vaccines have also never contained thimerosal."

Not to mention that the last lots of childhood vaccine to use thimerosal expired in January 2003 -- tell us all: what has happened to ASD rates since then? Well, as of 2009 the rate had doubled over 2003's numbers.


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Also ignoring the fact that the Sweden study:
A study, done in Sweden in 1998, also showed no evidence of association between the MMR vaccine and autism. The study compared the number of autism cases in children from two Swedish towns before 1982, when local doctors first started using the MMR vaccine, and after 1982. The results showed no difference in the rate of autism between the two groups of children in either town (Gillberg & Heijbel 1998).
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From page 4 here.

Or the Danish study.
The study, published in the New England Journal of Medicine, looked at all children born in January 1991 until December 1998.

Over 440,000 children who had been given the MMR vaccine and over 100,000 who had not.
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I know I cut death out of my diet. It was really bitter anyways.
 
kookbreaker said:
Indeed, vaccines were oh-so profitable that the number of pharma companies producing them dropped from two dozen to 2-3 over the last few decades. After all, there was money to be not made.
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kookbreaker said:
OK, let's look at these:

Intercell - Makes vaccines, but none of them seem to be for children
Nabi - They make nicotine addiction fighting stuff
Biosante - The only vaccine they make fights cancer
GlobeImmune - Most of their products are for fighting cancer and hepatitis, although they do seem to have a product for fighting influenza in the research stage.
Novavax - These guys make vaccines for h1n1, the flu, and are working on Herpes and HIV
Syntiron - Their vaccines seem to be for fighting bacterial infections
Bavarian-Nordic - Makes vaccines for Smallpox and HPV.
Medicago - Vaccines for H1n1. Influenza and h5n1
Merck- makes vaccines. So does GSK
Vaxinnate- Makes influenza vaccines

So this big conference seems to mostly include pharma companies that produce or develop vaccines for rather adult conditions.

I stand by my statement.
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Good for you. Whatever. SMH.
 
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