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You know very well that Hawaii stopped issuing anything other than the COLB in mid-2001, and that no one who requested a birth certificate after that date would receive anything but a COLB. Obama had to directly write to the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health and request a special exception to be made to the statutory requirements that motivated the 2001 decision in order to get the certified copy of the "long form".

Fair enough; I wasn't paying close attention to the birther nonsense and didn't know this detail. Looking back I see that NB said "issued" which conforms to what you say. I still think that calling Patterico a "birther" is erroneous.
 
Hard to tell there if you are being deliberately obtuse or if you really can't tell the difference between talking to your friend's sons and daughters and talking to children whose parents you have never met in private, online chats.



In private, online chats with kids whose parents you've never met before? Have fun, say hi to the guy on Dateline NBC for me.

Wow, you didn't even try to hide your movement of goal posts. But yes, chatting with children, in private online, is not immoral. Trying to seduce them is, and that doesn't matter if it's online or offline.

Feel free to show evidence that Weiner was trying to seduce underage girls.
 
It must have been embarrassing for you then when they released the long form.

No, I felt very vindicated. I took the position that the Director of Health made the rules and could release whatever form they wanted to by law (with minor restrictions). I even backed that up with quotes from Hawaiian law. Patterico insisted that Obama had a legal right to the document, ignored my arguments and went balls to the walls insulting me.

And in the end, I was right. The correspondence between Obama and the Director of Health proved it.

Being rude and insulting is one thing. But being a lawyer who can't figure out the law is quite another. I won't trust Patterico with an analysis on ANYTHING anymore. He can't even figure his own profession out.
 
Wow, you didn't even try to hide your movement of goal posts. But yes, chatting with children, in private online, is not immoral.

It is inappropriate, if you don't have any sort of prior acquaintance with the child and approval from his/her parents. This is not the same thing as a teacher chatting online with a student about a project or homework, or you asking your friend's kids what they want for their birthday.

Trying to seduce them is, and that doesn't matter if it's online or offline.

Feel free to show evidence that Weiner was trying to seduce underage girls.
Here's evidence that an underage girl that he followed was talking inappropriately about Weiner.

On May 23, she tweets the obscene tweet about about 69ing and using honey mustard as a lube . . . adding: “Ohh yeahh baby I love bdh weiner.” (bdh likely means big damn hero.)
 
Cops in Delaware investigating Weiner's underaged contacts:

Police on Friday afternoon came to the home of a 17-year-old high school junior to ask her about direct online communications she has had with Rep. Anthony Weiner.

Two officers from the New Castle County Police Department arrived at the girl's home around 4:30 p.m. and asked to speak with the girl's mother about the daughter's contact with Weiner. Another officer appeared at the home a short time later. A FoxNews.com reporter was at the home when the police arrived.
 
It is inappropriate, if you don't have any sort of prior acquaintance with the child and approval from his/her parents. This is not the same thing as a teacher chatting online with a student about a project or homework, or you asking your friend's kids what they want for their birthday.

Only to very paranoid people.

Here's evidence that an underage girl that he followed was talking inappropriately about Weiner.

So no evidence that Weiner was trying to seduce underage girls?
 
All right, I have to admit, I haven't read the whole thing, but dammit, ENOUGH ABOUT THE FRIGGING BIRTH CERTIFICATE! I have heard enough about it! THE MAN IS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES, AND IS ELIGIBLE TO SERVE! NO MORE!

Frankly, the next person who pulls this crap is going to get a tire iron to the chops! This was a non-issue back in 2008, it's still a non-issue, and it will be a non-issue in 2012! There's no more reason to drag this crap up, as it distracts from real issues. ENOUGH!
 
I'm not convinced she actually wants him to. I think she likes democrats who can take a hard line and make a penetrating case for their message.
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Don't be a misogynist. Everyone knows that when a Congresswoman says "Nay," she means "Nay."

I think in that hag's case you mean "neigh".
 
No, you can keep right on chatting them up online. But don't be surprised if they turn out to be a little older than advertised, and working for the sheriff's department, when you go to meet them at the local Burger King.

I didn't know Weiner had been accused of meeting under-aged girls at Burger King! :confused:

GB
 
Well, the girl from Patterico's posts is probably the same Delaware girl the cops visited this afternoon:

While a Fox News reporter was sitting at the kitchen table with "Ethel," the girl mentioned in our previous reports on Rep. Weiner talking to underage girls, the police entered and immediately ended the interview. Police also ask reporter to hand over screen grabs and other potential evidence.

Weiner's office issues a carefully-worded statement:

Weiner's spokeswoman, Risa Heller, emails: "According to Congressman Weiner, his communications with this person were neither explicit nor indecent."

Ordinarily a congressman's spokesperson would simply assert the denial without the "according to Congressman Weiner," caveat.

NY Times has further details:
On Friday, the local police arrived at their home and asked the girl and her mother to bring the girl’s phone and computer to the police station so they could be checked to make sure no crime had occurred.

The family member said the family complied, and did not expect any further action to be taken.

The Times mentions several of the messages the girl sent; somehow they missed the one about honey mustard.

Oh, and several bloggers have highlighted this page on Weiner's site:

Sadly, the Internet is the predator's venue of choice today. We need to update our strategies and our laws to stop these offenders who are a mere click away from our children.
 
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How is this tweet inappropriate?

Either a) you believe all even slightly racy things are inappropriate (and are almost certainly a hypocrite as you have indulged in such), or b) you somehow know the personal relationship between Weiner and his wife.

Did she think it was inappropriate? If not, or if you can't demonstrate, you should really shut up and in the words of our Founding Fathers, "mind your own business".
 
Weiner says online contact with teen not indecent
By RANDALL CHASE, Associated Press – 2 hours ago

WILMINGTON, Del. (AP) — A teenage girl from Delaware has been interviewed by police about online contact she had with U.S. Rep. Anthony Weiner, communications he has said were "neither explicit nor indecent." Authorities said the teen didn't say anything about illegal conduct.

The 46-year-old congressman acknowledged Friday that he had online contact with the 17-year-old girl but said there was nothing inappropriate. The New York Democrat issued his statement after FoxNews.com reported Friday that officers had interviewed the high school junior at her family's home north of Wilmington.

"They were made aware of an alleged contact between Congressman Anthony Weiner and an area teen," said Officer Tracey Duffy, a New Castle County police spokeswoman. "The teen has been interviewed and disclosed no information regarding any criminal activity."
Duffy said she doesn't know what led to the girl being questioned or whether the family had called police.

"I don't know what information they received that would prompt them to respond to this residence," she said. Duffy said the investigation was continuing.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap...hp9qFg?docId=639c9e7635d14d878e4c5614a8a3b432
 
I used to read Patterico quite a bit. And now I don't since discovering his fall-back tactic when losing debates is to insult people. Things like that makes one lose all respect for a person. Oh, and he was a birther. Might still be. I don't know. And really don't care one bit about anything he claims anymore.

To be honest Newton, I've looked back through a couple of years of Patterico's blogs, and I can't find any indication that he's a Birther at all. He has been consistently against Birtherism.

But he is a Breitbart defender, which is almost as bad, because Breitbart claims he's not a Birther yet has numerous contributors to his blog Big Hollywood who are Birthers.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201002070002

Yes, Media Matters is a generally Liberal Site, but the article has links to a number of the Birthers blogs on Breibart's Big Hollywood. So it is very easy to back this point up.

And Breitbart claimed the following in a column for The Washington Times:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/03/on-race-no-he-cant/?feat=article_related_stories

While I have no desire to see Mr. Obama’s birth certificate, I do want to see his college transcripts. My suspicion, one could even call it a conspiracy theory, is that Mr. Obama committed himself to a radical curriculum, aligned himself with the far-left professoriate, and sought to keep this biographical information from his political enemies, especially then-rival Hillary Rodham Clinton, for fear that they would paint the former community organizer and follower of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright as something other than an advocate of racial reconciliation.

Just a couple more nails in the coffin of Breitbart's Credibility.

GB
 
Delaware teen questioned about Weiner: http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/06/11/weiner.scandal/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

If she's a virgin, she may not know much.

Wasserman-Schultz abandoned him from that same article:

The head of the Democratic National Committee is calling for the resignation of U.S. Rep. Anthony Weiner, who has been under fire after admitting to inappropriate communications with women online.

"It is with great disappointment that I call on Representative Anthony Weiner to resign," DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz said in a statement Saturday. "The behavior he has exhibited is indefensible and Representative Weiner's continued service in Congress is untenable.

She's as partisan as they come, so if she's dumping him, it's because he's dragging down the party.
 
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/nothing_explicit_weiner_denies_rated_wMW8sl5M1w8ie0mwldmzdJ

"Weiner's pulling out -- for a little while, at least.Serial-sexting Congressman Anthony Weiner headed off to rehab and will seek a leave of absence, as Nancy Pelosi and other Dems demanded he quit following his admission to sending private Twitter messages to a 17-year-old girl.
Weiner's office said the randy rep left this morning for "professional treatment," and will take a leave of absence from the House as he tries to become a better family man."
 
I think I have a good solution, to the issue of whether Weiner should resign or not.

Instead of demanding he resign, instead call an emergency election, in three months. let him run again for his seat, in an emergency election.
 
I think I have a good solution, to the issue of whether Weiner should resign or not.

Instead of demanding he resign, instead call an emergency election, in three months. let him run again for his seat, in an emergency election.

How many millions of dollars do you reckon that will cost?
 

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