Merged Cold Fusion Claims

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attaboy said:
This may whet some appetites:

http://energycatalyzer.blogspot.com/
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I wasn't expressing an opinion of any kind by making this post. I was just pointing out to the forum that Rossi is now not the only one making claim to having discovered some kind of system capable of lenr. Please note, however, that this time it came from a US Govenment laboratory. I would think this lends a lot more credibility to the report than if it came from a private inventor such as Rossi even though he is supported by prominent scientists such as Focardi.
 
Here's Andrea Rossi explaining the recently announced "delay" in releasing the e-cat, to an enquirer in his blog:

Andrea Rossi June 2nd, 2011 at 11:02 AM
Dear Mr Alan C.:
1- I have not yet an international patent granted, I have a National patent granted, the international application is still pending
2- It is difficult to make this self destruction technology, this is why it will take time. We must find a way that is not dangerous for the persons, but that annihilates instantaneously all the sensible information if somebody tries to open the sealed parts
3- I have to defend the People that have invested in this. And I will.
Warm regards, A.R.
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By "sensible" he means "sensitive" of course (sensibile in Italian), but the idea of the e-cat as a device "that annihilates instantaneously all the sensible information" seems strangely appropriate.

But who are these "people who have invested"?

BeAChooser #1206 Page 31, has informed us, quoting from freeenergytimes

In fact we will begin to earn money in October after the successful start up of the plant of one megawatt. Until that moment all the moment on the table has been and will be my money. The only money that has been risked is my money. This way I have cut all the voices about this guy is trying to make some trick, etc, etc. Any attempts to diminish the importance of the technology has been foiled. Because it is clear if somebody puts all his money in a thing if this is a trick he is just tricking himself. The rules are very clear here. Money will change hands only if the plant will work. No good work, no money for anybody and a loss of money for me.”
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To which BeAChooser adds, ironically:

That's some lucrative scam he has going ...
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Well, so it seems to be! I wonder how much the fools invested. Maybe they didn't obtain enough "sensible information" before they opened their wallets.
 
I have to wonder at what sort of technology would not be dangerous to people, but would disallow somebody very carefuly disecting a few of those eCat in an atmosphere of inert gas, or udner vaccuum, and still be cheap enough for Rossi to use....

The simplest explanation is that he is making up excuse for more delay.
 
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Crawdaddy said:
Attaboy



Very interesting. Add two more professors of physics to the list of hopeless dullards who "believe" in the e-cat. I guess the testing they have been doing out of the public eye has been so hopelessly inaccurate that they can't measure a couple of orders of magnitude.

Thank you for this information. As a fellow chemist I appreciate your point of view.
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And you qill note that this was discussed already in the thread. It also is not what Rossi is claiming, in this letter, condierable heat is used prior to the advent of the hydrongen, they are not assuming that it is NOT a chemical reaction. This as a chemical reaction has been discussed.

Rossi's claim is a little different.
 
attaboy said:
I wasn't expressing an opinion of any kind by making this post. I was just pointing out to the forum that Rossi is now not the only one making claim to having discovered some kind of system capable of lenr.
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Wherr did they say LENR ?

Yesterday Peter Gluck suggested that the relationship between loading and
excess power may be a myth. This seemed to be true for electrolysis with Pd
and heavy water where loading levels exceeding 0.9 D/M were a prerequisite
for observing excess power.

My loading level with this nanopowder sample as less than 0.1 H/M.

This 5 watt excess is very much less than Rossi, but it is a real and
repeatable experiment There was no radiation above the background level.
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Aepervius

I have to wonder at what sort of technology would not be dangerous to people, but would disallow somebody very carefuly disecting a few of those eCat
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Rossi can create cold fusion, so what about a cold fusion bomb? That would be a "cryonuclear" rather than thermonuclear device, and it would annihilate instantaneously all the sensible information without the least doubt. Nothing sensible would remain in existence anywhere near the e-cat.
 
Rossi can create cold fusion, so what about a cold fusion bomb? That would be a "cryonuclear" rather than thermonuclear device, and it would annihilate instantaneously all the sensible information without the least doubt. Nothing sensible would remain in existence anywhere near the e-cat.
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Brilliant! You should collaborate with Rossi to develop the cryonuclear bomb. You have become Shiva, the sensible destroyer of worlds.
 
Once again, Rossi flim-flams his supporters with absolute BS about how patents work.

Protip: if he's applied for a patent, all his "sensible" information should already be publicly available.

The really funny part is, even if his technology could be shown to be real, and a patent was granted on it, that patent would be invalid, as it apparently hasn't provided an enabling disclosure of the technology, since he's made it clear that there's "something" else he's still hiding that is needed to make it work.

First infringer he tried to sue based on any such patent would be able to laugh him out of court on this basis alone.
 
Horatius

Can we really expect Rossi to bow to the demands of these perpetrators of crimes against humanity at the Patent Office? As pointed out by the cryofusionists:

H t t p : // pesn.com/2011/06/07/9501841_Patent_Office_Forces_E-Cat_Self-Destruct_Capability/

If the U.S. Patent Office does not grant these patents, there will be blood on their hands. They will be literally taking clean water out of the mouths of infants, stealing food off the plates of children, slapping poverty stricken people in the face, and contributing to the financial decline of the world.
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Wow! And also allowing children to die of cancer, because Rossi's going to spend his profits on helping child cancer sufferers.

( ... )The patent office, the powers that be, and pathological skeptics have suppressed cold fusion technology for decades. If you examine the history of cold fusion, you will see how legitimate research was squashed, how researchers were ridiculed, and how countless cold fusion related patent applications were denied. The villain here is not Andrea Rossi, but the corrupt system in place that fights against cold fusion pioneers.
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Or is all that just "flimflam" in your pathologically sceptical stealing food from the plates of children opinion.
 
Craig B said:
Can we really expect Rossi to bow to the demands of these perpetrators of crimes against humanity at the Patent Office? As pointed out by the cryofusionists:

H t t p : // pesn.com/2011/06/07/9501841_Patent_Office_Forces_E-Cat_Self-Destruct_Capability/
If the U.S. Patent Office does not grant these patents, there will be blood on their hands. They will be literally taking clean water out of the mouths of infants, stealing food off the plates of children, slapping poverty stricken people in the face, and contributing to the financial decline of the world.

The patent office, the powers that be, and pathological skeptics have suppressed cold fusion technology for decades.
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Of course, the amusing part there is that the patent office is doing the exact opposite of suppressing anything. If they granted a patent, that would give Rossi the exclusive right to sell his machine and the right to all profits from it. By denying such patents, they allow anyone who feels like it to build and sell them, introducing competition and greatly lowering the cost to the consumer. It's similar to the situation with drugs, where the developers patent them to prevent cheaper generics being made and sold before they can make a decent profit from them.

So rather ironically, it's actually the cryofusionists (nice word by the way) who are in the position of "Big Pharma", suppressing their lifesaving developments and cruelly trying to profit from the worlds' suffering, while the patent office is the little guy trying to force them to make everything public so that the whole world can benefit!
 
Dancing David said:
I mentioned December in an earlier post, December 1 in fact.
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I recall the date was first August, then October, now December, and now with auto-destruct requirements. It's interesting how long he can milk this scam.
 
Craig B said:
Horatius

Can we really expect Rossi to bow to the demands of these perpetrators of crimes against humanity at the Patent Office? As pointed out by the cryofusionists:
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What point do you think you are making with your CT rhetoric, want to try ordinary speach minus the bizzare spin?
 
nathan said:
I recall the date was first August, then October, now December, and now with auto-destruct requirements. It's interesting how long he can milk this scam.
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Interesting I said December in my post to give wiggle room, I do not know if Rossi has said December, I made statment that I will post here December 1 and that those who beleive in Rossi are welcome to accept my apology if there are actual real bona fide results.

Of course some poster immedeatly said that if that is provided, "It will be denied" by some someone.
 
attaboy said:
Not sure they did. But it is about a low energy process claimed to be of a nuclear nature and I believe that is close to the official definition of lenr. BTW, what's a Wherr?
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A typo, so where did they say it was non chemical?

This is your statement about them, I am asking for clarity, they did not say LENR, did they state the process as being non chemical?

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This is the original source:
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg47437.html

In the original they do not say LENR or nuclear at all. Or chemical or non chemical.

It is apparently an email about something that happened at AMES

Soooo we have no verification that the researcher at AMES felt it was nuclear despite the associations given by the blog and possibly you.

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