Merged Cold Fusion Claims

[Cuddles]

And how do you reach that conclusion?

Because:

The fact is that the opportunity hasn't been given.

And you're making sure to give conditions such that the opportunity never will be.

No, most people (at least in the US) have not even heard of this so they can't think anything about it. Go ahead, test that, Cuddles. I have. Out of a dozen people I've mentioned Rossi too so far, not one had heard of him or this controversy. NOT ONE. And these are reasonably informed people. They don't live in a cave.

Feel free to try actually reading my posts before replying. Here it is again:

Most people here think Rossi is either a fraud or simply utterly incompetent.

I don't give a damn what people in another country who aren't here talking about it might think.

You're entitled to your opinion. I happen to think you're just risk averse.

That's because you're apparently unable to actually read or understand what anyone is saying. Only a complete retard would invest in something they think is a fraud. Calling it "risk averse" is either the most pathetic straw man ever invented, or just extreme stupidity.

Really? You think it was that obvious that you folks were soooooo certain that you would pass up the opportunity to make millions from a $1000?

What, you mean the way we were all pointing out how there's no evidence to support the claims, plenty of evidence it's fraud, and how we were all very obviously not desperately trying to give Rossi our money? Yeah, I did think that was rather obvious. Although I will admit that given your apparent ability to read and understand posts here, it may have been rather less obvious to you.

Frankly, I think what will be established come December (or thereabouts) is which of us is a better judge of risk

So how much money have you given Rossi again? Oh, that's right, none. Yep, looks like for all their ranting, the believers are exactly as willing to pony up their cash as the rest of it.

and which of us is the better skeptic.

No, that's already well established. This is one of the sad things that believers, in all kind of things, always fail to understand. Even if something turns out to be correct, you're still not a skeptic if you believed in it before the evidence was available to support it. Mindless believers do turn out to be right occasionally by pure chance, but it doesn't help them at all because without understanding how and why they were correct that time, they won't be able to do any better than chance in the future. If you close your eyes and throw darts at a wall, you'll eventually hit the dart board, but that doesn't make you a professional darts player.

Nice to have you on record.

I was already clearly on record to anyone able to comprehend basic English. It's not my problem that you couldn't understand that.

 

[BeAChooser]

Quote:
The fact is that the opportunity hasn't been given.

And you're making sure to give conditions such that the opportunity never will be.

And exactly how do you come to that conclusion? What I'm asking for is nothing more than what any investor might reasonably ask for who buys stock in a company. A share of whatever profits are realized. And the legal protection that stock provides.

Most people here think Rossi is either a fraud or simply utterly incompetent.

And you think that proves something? LOL!

Actually, it might. I guess come December or so we'll see what it proves.

 

[Cuddles]

And you think that proves something?

Man, you really are struggling with this reading comprehension lark, aren't you? Let's try explaining it a little more slowly:

- You asked if people here would be willing to give Rossi money.
- I pointed out that most people here think he's a fraud or incompetent, so asking if they'd give him money is a really stupid question.

OK, I don't think I can actually dumb it down any more than that. I wasn't trying to prove anything, I was simply explaining precisely why your stupid question was stupid.

 

[Belz...]

I'd bet 10,000$ of my own money that come october cold fusion won't work, but I know none of its proponents here would put up.

 

[Aepervius]

I'd bet 10,000$ of my own money that come october cold fusion won't work, but I know none of its proponents here would put up.

No, they would put up , but they would say that since youa re so sure you should bet 1 to 1000, so they would bet 10$ against your 10000$.

Look the previous page .

 

[BenBurch]

I'd bet 10,000$ of my own money that come october cold fusion won't work, but I know none of its proponents here would put up.

Tried that MUCH earlier in the thread. No takers. My conclusion is that they are either trolling, or they know they are kidding themselves.

 

[excaza]

How about I put up $10 and BaC puts up $1,000?

 

[BenBurch]

How about I put up $10 and BaC puts up $1,000?

Good luck with that.

 

[Aepervius]

How about I put up $10 and BaC puts up $1,000?

Proposed that earlier in the thread.

He even refused 1 to 1.

 

[excaza]

Oh, must have missed that one

 

[Jimmy42]

:I guess come December or so we'll see what it proves.

Now it is December? The due date is receding fast.

 

[BenBurch]

Now it is December? The due date is receding fast.

So it begins.

 

[attaboy]

replication? etc.

This may whet some appetites:

http://energycatalyzer.blogspot.com/

 

[HoverBoarder]

I guess come December or so we'll see what it proves.

If it comes out in December that is. If only it wasn't for that darn patent office *requiring* Rossi to build a "self destruct" mechanism into his device LOL.

Patent Office Forces E-Cat Self-Destruct Capability

The reason for including this self destruct mechanism is that if someone opened the reaction vessel of an E-Cat, they could obtain all the "secrets" in a short period of time. Without patent protection in the form of granted patents, this could give away key information to competitors, and potentially even invalidate patents that are still pending...

I suppose, will not sell modules until the protection issue [is] resolved...


It is difficult to make this self destruction technology, this is why it will take time. We must find a way that is not dangerous for the persons, but that annihilates instantaneously all the sensible information if somebody tries to open the sealed parts..

Warm regards,
A.R.

Well it looks like Rossi will just *have* to delay the launch, but I am sure that if he can just get a 'little' more investment money than he should have this problem solved in no time

 

[Emet]

If it comes out in December that is. If only it wasn't for that darn patent office *requiring* Rossi to build a "self destruct" mechanism into his device LOL.

Maybe he should consult with Jim Phelps. It all seems so appropriate.

 

[McFate]

Posted May 5:

Sorry but I believe it is you who are wrong and incorrect. We should all know in October. BTW, what are your credentials?

October 1 was 148 days away when this was posted.

Posted June 7:

I guess come December or so we'll see what it proves.

December 1 is 176 days away.

We seem to be getting further from the demonstration, not closer. Could it be Rossi has actually invented a time machine instead of a power device?

 

[Craig B]

HoverBoarder

H t t p : / / pesn.com/2011/06/07/9501841_Patent_Office_Forces_E-Cat_Self-Destruct_Capability/

Have no fear! All is not lost! The fusionistas have dreamed up an ingenious way of overcoming the wicked heartlessness and bureaucratic intransigence of the Patent Office:

Perhaps another way of insuring competitors do not steal market share if they obtained his secrets, would be for him to offer pre-orders of E-Cat units. A series of additional demonstrations could be held once the one megawatt plant in Xanthi is launched. These demos could entice millions of people to make preorders.

I really like the use of "entice". Is it possible that a small deposit could be "enticed" from the pockets and purses of these millions of preorderers? Dear me! This isn't even a new, clever kind of scam. It looks as if it's going to develop into an old-fashioned plain-vanilla "advance fee" rip-off.

UK residents may wish to consult h t t p :// w w w.actionfraud.org.uk/node/290

Advance fee fraud is when fraudsters target victims to make advance payments for goods, services and/or financial gains that do not materialise.
Types of advance fee fraud include:
Career opportunity scams
Clairvoyant or psychic scams
Cheque overpayment fraud
Dating or romance scams
(etc, etc ... )

If fraud has been committed, report it to Action Fraud.

 

[marplots]

This may whet some appetites:

http://energycatalyzer.blogspot.com/

I don't understand the significance. Is the claim that there is no chemical reaction happening in the flask?

They were very careful to note exactly what went in, did they measure what they made?

Please tell me this whole hullabaloo isn't just about a chemical reaction with hydrogen and metals in a flask that generates heat.

 

[Jimmy42]

This may whet some appetites: http://energycatalyzer.blogspot.com/ Possible replication of excess-heat production in LENR-system

Why would you consider this excess heat? Add Hydrogen to nickel under pressure and you get heat. Put it in a vacuum under high temperature and the hydrogen outgasses off. Wash, rinse, repeat. It is a common method of storing hydrogen and is under consideration for H2 storage on fuel cell automobiles.

 

[Crawdaddy]

Attaboy

This may whet some appetites:

http://energycatalyzer.blogspot.com

Very interesting. Add two more professors of physics to the list of hopeless dullards who "believe" in the e-cat. I guess the testing they have been doing out of the public eye has been so hopelessly inaccurate that they can't measure a couple of orders of magnitude.

Thank you for this information. As a fellow chemist I appreciate your point of view.