Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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So what you are saying is that the whole shameful book is a forgery? I couldn't agree more!!:) :p
As DOC has demonstrated and Sir Ramsay proclaimed; there is no evidence for any of the supernatural stories in the bible and therefore there is no reason to believe them.

As pointed out in the O.P.

The New Testament Writers Describe Miracles Like Other Historical Events: With Simple, Unembellished Accounts.​

If they had changed the style when they told the truth then perhaps we would be able to believe some of it happened. As they used the same style throughout it suggests that it is all lies.

Of course if anyone has evidence to the contrary I would be happy to revisit my opinion.
 
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Mahalo

Heh, did you read DOC's Elvis thread? Pure comedy gold...

As a public service, here is a post from that thread. My emphasis added.


Several people in here are talking about many of my other threads. And some are even giving false or misleading info about them. This is no doubt confusing to people who have not read my other threads. In order to make things clearer for them here are some of my other threads:

Jefferson and Separation of Church and State

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.p...43#post2347743

Peter, the apostle

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.p...00#post2714200

Could Communism in Russia have been successful with Christianity?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.p...54#post2782654

Christopher Columbus and the Bible

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.p...13#post2806813

The Viking, Leif Ericson

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.p...55#post2792555

The Chrisian Roots of American Schools

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2953472#post2953472
 
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Heh, did you read DOC's Elvis thread? Pure comedy gold...

Well since "you" brought up, here is the thread:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94086


A day late and a dollar short again, DOC. Quelle surprise.


And I see the Wiki Elvis website where I got the first post information removed the gospel recordings of Elvis. I wonder why? I hope it has nothing to do with what some claim is Wiki's anti Christian bias.


You noticed that while you were searching for some evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth, did you?

Find any?
 
Well since "you" brought up, here is the thread:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94086

And I see the Wiki Elvis website where I got the first post information removed the gospel recordings of Elvis. I wonder why? I hope it has nothing to do with what some claim is Wiki's anti Christian bias.


Perhaps they were never there in the first place. Here's your first post in that thread:
Here is a list of the King of Rock and Roll's religious recordings:

Amazing Grace • Reach Out To Jesus • He Touched Me • He Knows Just What I Need • Lead Me, Guide Me • How Great Thou Art • His Hand In Mine • I'm Gonna Walk Dem Golden Stairs • In My Father's House • Milky White Way • Known Only To Him • I Believe In The Man In The Sky • Joshua Fit The Battle • Swing Down, Sweet Chariot • Mansion Over The Hilltop • If We Never Meet Again • Working On The Building • Crying In The Chapel • In The Garden • Somebody Bigger Than You Or I • Farther Along • Without Him • So High • Where Could I Go But To The Lord • By And By • If The Lord Wasn't Walking By My Side • Run On • Where No One Stands Alone • We Call On Him • Who Am I? • Life • Only Believe • I've Got Confidence • Seeing Is Believing • He Is My Everything • Bosom Of Abraham • An Evening Prayer • There Is No God But God • A Thing Called Love • I, John • Miracle Of The Rosary • Put Your Hand In The Hand • I Got A Feelin' In My Body • Help Me • If That Isn't Love • Why Me Lord • Farther Along • Oh Happy Day • Bosom Of Abraham • You Better Run • Turn Your Eyes Upon Jesus • Nearer My God To Thee • When The Saints Go Marchin' In • Just A Little Talk With Jesus • Jesus Walked That Lonesome Valley • I Shall Not Be Moved • Peace In The Valley • Down By The Riverside • Farther Along • Blessed Jesus • On The Jericho Road • I Just Can't Make It By Myself • I Hear A Sweet Voice Calling • Softly And Tenderly • It Is No Secret • I Believe • Take My Hand, Precious Lord • I Asked The Lord • He • Oh How I Love Jesus • O Lord, Show Me Thy Ways • Hide Thou Me • Sing You Children • ''Let Us Pray • Sometimes I Feel Like A Motherless Child • Where Could I Go But To The Lord • Up Above My Head • Saved • The Lord's Prayer •

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elvis_Presley


Here's that Wikipedia page as it was when you made that post: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Elvis_Presley&oldid=159753442

Your list of songs doesn't seem to appear there.
 
Not true, I have posted this link several times and there are other websites on the web giving evidence concerning the resurrection.

http://www.leaderu.com/everystudent/easter/articles/josh2.html

How many times do you need to be told that the Bible can't be used as evidence for itself?

We are talking about evidence for the historical event of the resurrection. The writings by New Testament authors certainly can be considered historical evidence if we are to believe this scholar's quote given in the above link.

From the article "Evidence for the Resurrection" by Josh McDowell

" I claim to be an historian. My approach to Classics is historical. And I tell you that the evidence for the life, the death, and the resurrection of Christ is better authenticated than most of the facts of ancient history . . .

E. M. Blaiklock
Professor of Classics
Auckland University"

http://www.leaderu.com/everystudent/easter/articles/josh2.html
 
We are talking about evidence for the historical event of the resurrection. The writings by New Testament authors certainly can be considered historical evidence if we are to believe this scholar's quote given in the above link.

From the article "Evidence for the Resurrection" by Josh McDowell

" I claim to be an historian. My approach to Classics is historical. And I tell you that the evidence for the life, the death, and the resurrection of Christ is better authenticated than most of the facts of ancient history . . .

E. M. Blaiklock
Professor of Classics
Auckland University"

http://www.leaderu.com/everystudent/easter/articles/josh2.html
DOC, There is no reason to beleive him. There is no evidence outside of the NT account.

With no evidence he is just another liar for Jesus.

The habit of Christians to claim there is lots of evidence for their fairy stories but then fail to produce it is well known

See here for an example,
 
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DOc, There is no reason to beleive him. There is no evidence outside of the NT account.

With no evidence he is just another liar for Jesus.

How about these scholars also mentioned in the McDowell link above, are they liars too.

"Professor Thomas Arnold, for 14 years a headmaster of Rugby, author of the famous, History of Rome, and appointed to the chair of modern history at Oxford, was well acquainted with the value of evidence in determining historical facts. This great scholar said: "I have been used for many years to study the histories of other times, and to examine and weigh the evidence of those who have written about them, and I know of no one fact in the history of mankind which is proved by better and fuller evidence of every sort, to the understanding of a fair inquirer, than the great sign which God hath given us that Christ died and rose again from the dead." Brooke Foss Westcott, an English scholar, said: "raking all the evidence together, it is not too much to say that there is no historic incident better or more variously supported than the resurrection of Christ. Nothing but the antecedent assumption that it must be false could have suggested the idea of deficiency in the proof of it."
 
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What evidence is he referring to? The bible? Or are you going to actually go to the sources he used and find something we can finally sink our teeth into?

You don't seem to understand arguments from authority very well doc.
 
How about these scholars also mentioned in the McDowell link above, are they liars too.

"Professor Thomas Arnold, for 14 years a headmaster of Rugby, author of the famous, History of Rome, and appointed to the chair of modern history at Oxford, was well acquainted with the value of evidence in determining historical facts. This great scholar said: "I have been used for many years to study the histories of other times, and to examine and weigh the evidence of those who have written about them, and I know of no one fact in the history of mankind which is proved by better and fuller evidence of every sort, to the understanding of a fair inquirer, than the great sign which God hath given us that Christ died and rose again from the dead." Brooke Foss Westcott, an English scholar, said: "raking all the evidence together, it is not too much to say that there is no historic incident better or more variously supported than the resurrection of Christ. Nothing but the antecedent assumption that it must be false could have suggested the idea of deficiency in the proof of it."
Yes they also liars for Jesus. There are far better recorded events with multiple sources. Only a disillusioned fool would claim otherwise.

The resurrection only has the various conflicting accounts in some parts of the later copies of bible to support it. The earliest bible versions have no resurrection.

Where is this evidence they claim? There is no reliable evidence just a load of fallacies like those exhibited in the OP and your subsequent posts. Not one piece of ‘evidence’ you have brought in stands up.
 
This Professor Thomas Arnold, DOC? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Arnold

Anyway.
I've always wondered why Mark doesn't mention the resurrection in his gospel.

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I stupidly clicked on that Josh link.
Gosh.
I can't believe they still trot out that embarrassingly bad article as evidence of the resurrection.
The Roman soldiers! The rolled away stone!
 
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