Vaccine/autism CT discussion

[Travis]

Actually, your comment is beyond disturbing. I am going to put my son's life at risk??

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I will not sacrifice my son for anything.

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Your inference that you have a particular set of knowledge is misplaced arrogance. I elect to have a choice, not a mandate by you or anybody else.

I never said that vaccines create anything beyond what would affect my son. Is the general public paranoid? Yes, if the public feels vaccines are necessary and should be forced on people who don't want it.

Question: should my son die just because you want him to have a vaccine?

Um, he was commenting on the fact that your son should not be vaccinated because of the allergies. This is a known problem. Now if a very large percentage of the people around your son are vaccinated then your son is protected even though he is not. That's called Herd Immunity. But if the percentage of people being vaccinated falls then your son is now at risk. This is why it is important that we vaccinate all the people that don't have the allergic reactions to the vaccines.

 

[aggle-rithm]

I never said that vaccines create anything beyond what would affect my son. Is the general public paranoid? Yes, if the public feels vaccines are necessary and should be forced on people who don't want it.

Question: should my son die just because you want him to have a vaccine?

Question: Should millions of children die because you don't think vaccines are necessary?

 

[excaza]

Actually, your comment is beyond disturbing. I am going to put my son's life at risk??

Edited by kmortis: 

Removed personalization

I will not sacrifice my son for anything.

Edited by kmortis: 

Removed personalization

Your inference that you have a particular set of knowledge is misplaced arrogance. I elect to have a choice, not a mandate by you or anybody else.

I never said that vaccines create anything beyond what would affect my son. Is the general public paranoid? Yes, if the public feels vaccines are necessary and should be forced on people who don't want it.

Question: should my son die just because you want him to have a vaccine?

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Removed personalization

I have no idea where you got any of this from what I said.

 

[excaza]

You do not know what you are talking about... there was no waiver.

There is a waiver. I've gotten one, nimrod. Seems like you didn't try too hard.

 

[Travis]

I've never heard of them forcing a child that has allergic or other types of reactions to vaccines to still be inoculated.

 

[fullflavormenthol]

Well, it's not entirely incorrect.
Britain did suffer its worst smallpox outbreak after compulsory vaccination was introduced. It was introduced in 1853, and the worldwide epidemic was in 1871/72. So 20 years, not 40.

The vaccine didn't prevent you getting the disease, quite often. It did reduce the chance of death. There are 20th century statistics showing something like a reduction from 40% to 10%. No idea how this compares with the figures for the 1870s, though.

And I would not have written anything had it come from a legitimate source. Being wrapped in the conspiracy langauge that it was, I was taking issue with that. Good information doesn't have to be taken from bad sources.

 

[excaza]

You do not know what you are talking about... there was no waiver.

http://www.vaclib.org/exemption.htm

At the bottom of this page (don't bother reading the rest of the content, I know you won't like it) are links for exemption forms for every US State, along with the relevant state statutes allowing for the waiver.

That took 2 seconds of googling. Research is hard.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Swing and a miss. All three of these are airborne diseases, washing your hands is going to do jack diddly.

Washing hands was a time in the history of medicine reference.

 

[excaza]

Washing hands was a time in the history of medicine reference.

Cool. Will hand washing prevent TB?

 

[ladmo]

http://www.vaclib.org/exemption.htm

At the bottom of this page (don't bother reading the rest of the content, I know you won't like it) are links for exemption forms for every US State, along with the relevant state statutes allowing for the waiver.

That took 2 seconds of googling. Research is hard.

Don't get smug... now guess the time frame that my child was in school. My statement still stands.

 

[Arisia]

http://www.vaclib.org/exemption.htm

At the bottom of this page (don't bother reading the rest of the content, I know you won't like it) are links for exemption forms for every US State, along with the relevant state statutes allowing for the waiver.

That took 2 seconds of googling. Research is hard.

I figured there'd be a clearinghouse for such information on the internet for parents of vaccine-allergic children to use (my daughter has no allergies, thank goodness, so she's had every childhood vaccination available, even the ones not mandated by the state of Massachusetts), because it doesn't make sense to me that any of the 50 states would require vaccination for children that are allergic.
Of course, these days, I hope it's an uphill battle getting an exemption/waiver for anything besides proven medical necessity (you can get them for religious reasons, too, if I'm not mistaken), since herd immunity is on iffy footing in some places right now. For instance, I know there are quite a few cases of Measles in the Boston metro area right now.

 

[TSR]

Don't get smug... now guess the time frame that my child was in school. My statement still stands.

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Why should we guess -- if you think it is significant, just tell us.

The statement about exemption still stands.
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[Clayton Moore]

Was this a serious question?

U betcha. You don't see anyone answering it. Must have hit a nerve.

 

[000063]

Yes you did, Clay; our collective funny bone.

 

[Clayton Moore]

CM - I do not wish to be intrusive but I have a child who was diagnosed Aspergers (at one point Autism was considered but then dismissed) and would like to hear your experience.

Actually they were the son of a close friend of my son, the grandson of my son's Godmother, and the son of a friend I know from poker games.

So my only contact has been through conversation about them.

 

[Tomblvd]

U betcha. You don't see anyone answering it. Must have it a nerve.

Actually, if you reread your question, you will see it essentially answers itself:

From 1963-1965, a rubella epidemic swept across the globe. In the United States alone, there were about 11,000 fetal deaths and 20,000 infants born with congenital rubella syndrome, a group of birth defects that can occur in an infant when its mother is infected with rubella during pregnancy.[/URL





What did we read? Rubella is mild with children.

Rubella is dangerous to unborn babies. That means the danger lies with women at child bearing age.

So why are year old babies getting a Rubella vaccination?

Who takes care of "year old babies"? Who among women of child bearing age tends to associate most closely?

If you think about babies, their mothers and pregnant women, you'll understand.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Actually, if you reread your question, you will see it essentially answers itself:

Who takes care of "year old babies"? Who among women of child bearing age tends to associate most closely?

If you think about babies, their mothers and pregnant women, you'll understand.

HMMMM. So instead of pushing rubella vaccine for all 10 year old girls who haven't already become immune, all babies get it?

 

[Tomblvd]

Actually, if you reread your question, you will see it essentially answers itself:





HMMMM. So instead of pushing rubella vaccine for all 10 year old girls who haven't already become immune, all babies get it?

I don't understand what point you are making here. Where are you getting these "10 year old girls who haven't already become immune"? And how is this an either/or? Are you saying we are withholding vaccines from an at-risk group to immunize infants?

Your statement makes no sense.

 

[ladmo]

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Why should we guess -- if you think it is significant, just tell us.

The statement about exemption still stands.
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Back up your claim with facts. There were not always exemptions. If you want to back up your claim provide the facts. If not, do not make the claims...

 

[tsig]

Washing hands was a time in the history of medicine reference.

A time of what?