Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

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Clayton Moore said:
Quaint response. I advise you cease relying on old movies, such as Bridge Over the River Kwai, for your responses.
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This is an impressive step forward for Clayton. He's moved on from the normal truther belief that anything in the movies must be true, to the very slightly more enlightened belief that anything in the movies must be false. It's only the first step on a very long road, but one day, if he continues along the way, he might be able to start basing some of his beliefs on objective reality.

Dave
 
Clayton Moore said:
You're contradicting me. You tell me why I'm incorrect.
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No, Clayton, you made a very definitive statement with no calculation or explanation to back it up. You are now being asked to do so.

Same goes for the sooperseekret magic explosives YOU claim would have been used.

Illustrate that they exist or admit they reside within your imagination.
 
ApolloGnomon said:
This might seem unnecessarily pedantic, but I think it's relevant to the thread. You have claimed the existence of a piece of equipment with a given set of parameters (bolded above), as part of an example of how to prove things. But your described parameters are incorrect.

http://www.lightningtrigger.com/Tips.html#photographytips

The trigger works by responding very quickly to the first part of several of the lighting event. The camera shutter is left open for a very long time, to maximize the odds of capturing the subsequent portions of a lightning event.

So yes, your object exists but it does it's job in a way other than you described.

Now compare this to Clayton Moore's claim that there are bomb triggers which could survive impact and fireball. As you were demonstrating, he fails to provide examples of this technology in any way.

Further, CM would have to make sure he's not making the same mistake you made, above, by misunderstanding/misrepresenting the parameters.

Top Secret stuff doesn't exist in a vacuum. Any piece of TS hardware is based on the current state-of-the-art of the milieu. If you can find other examples of electronic gear that's made to survive an hour or more exposure to massive fire and then operate flawlessly, please provide.
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You're losing me. I know how it works, I own one.

This isn't about the trigger, it's about our dear friends inability to prove anything he says. He didn't know the attachment existed. I did. I proved it. He says magical explosives exist. Now he needs to prove it. The example was never meant to prove it could survive fire for crying out loud.
 
Clayton Moore said:
The common sense aspect is that you must know when to delegate.
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Which is not where you began:

Common sense doesn't require detailed explanations.
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If you have simply delegated the design to your "team", then it is still being designed with something other than just "common sense" accompanied by painstakingly detailed explanations - just not by YOU.

Having gone around in this circle of sorts, we find you in the same unfortunate position in which you began: making claims which you cannot hope to support with actual physics and trying to wave away the need to do so. Fail.
 
sylvan8798 said:
If you have simply delegated the design to your "team", then it is still being designed with something other than just "common sense" accompanied by painstakingly detailed explanations - just not by YOU.
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Heh. Is Clayton Moore establishing a new logical fallacy in front of our eyes? Argumentum ad middle management: Declaring Process X to be easy, because you can let someone else worry about the details.
 
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Dave Rogers said:
This is an impressive step forward for Clayton. He's moved on from the normal truther belief that anything in the movies must be true, to the very slightly more enlightened belief that anything in the movies must be false. It's only the first step on a very long road, but one day, if he continues along the way, he might be able to start basing some of his beliefs on objective reality.

Dave
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Sorry, man, but I don't see single instances of abberative behavior equalling mindset changes. Even a teetotaler can slip up and have a single drink at one single point. ;):D


:rolleyes: Yes, for the record, this isn't a criticism of Dave; it's my way of making a joke and combining that with a backhanded slap at a truther's behavior. The joke is: Yeah, right he's changing (rolls eyes).
 
Dave Rogers said:
This is an impressive step forward for Clayton. He's moved on from the normal truther belief that anything in the movies must be true, to the very slightly more enlightened belief that anything in the movies must be false. It's only the first step on a very long road, but one day, if he continues along the way, he might be able to start basing some of his beliefs on objective reality.

Dave
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Your posts jump from anything to anything oh so gracefully.
 
Linkie to the explosives yet Clayton?

I'm waiting. You're CERTAIN these items exist, so you MUST have the top secret clearance to know this. Show me. I promise I won't tell anyone.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Your posts jump from anything to anything oh so gracefully.
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"I know you are but what am I?"

The sad thing is, you think you're winning.

Say, how did the wiring and detonators in WTC 1/2 survive a high-speed plane crash and fire, but vanish from the debris that was sitting around for months?
 
000063 said:
"I know you are but what am I?"

The sad thing is, you think you're winning.

Say, how did the wiring and detonators in WTC 1/2 survive a high-speed plane crash and fire, but vanish from the debris that was sitting around for months?
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I have no idea how the three buildings were demolished. I just know that demolish and gravity collapse are mutually exclusive.

Shouldn't your first order of business be how the neocons made the two tower BLACK BOXES vanish?
 
Clayton Moore said:
Shouldn't your first order of business be how the neocons made the two tower BLACK BOXES vanish?
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Probably the same way your imaginary above-top-secret hush-a-boomsTM disappeared; I'm guessing either Jedi mind trick (These aren't the FDR's you're looking for!) or a cloaking device - not Romulan technology but the sooper sekrit, banned but not really banned Federation one.
 
Clayton Moore said:
I have no idea how the three buildings were demolished. I just know that demolish and gravity collapse are mutually exclusive.
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Nice duck and weave. you cannot have wiring and detonators that survive the attack, then vanish from the debris. Heck, there'd be a good chance several would get blown out of the building when the plane hit, and then you've got incriminating explosives that could be anywhere in Manhattan.

Shouldn't your first order of business be how the neocons made the two tower BLACK BOXES vanish?
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For some reason, I suspect that black boxes that have been involved in a building collapse that releases energy on a nuclear weapons scale might be stressed beyond their tolerances, or damaged into unrecognizability somewhere in the thousands of tons of debris.

Wiring and detonators specifically hardened against the crash and fire are much more likely to survive the collapse, and since there are somewhere between dozens and hundreds of explosives, there's an excellent chance of someone stumbling upon one. They might even take it home as a souvenir. No truther, IIRC, has ever found someone saying they found or saw what they thought was the remains of an explosive device. Not one truther is willing to point at a photo and go "I think that used to be part of a bomb".
 
000063 said:
Nice duck and weave. you cannot have wiring and detonators that survive the attack, then vanish from the debris. Heck, there'd be a good chance several would get blown out of the building when the plane hit, and then you've got incriminating explosives that could be anywhere in Manhattan.

For some reason, I suspect that black boxes that have been involved in a building collapse that releases energy on a nuclear weapons scale might be stressed beyond their tolerances, or damaged into unrecognizability somewhere in the thousands of tons of debris.

Wiring and detonators specifically hardened against the crash and fire are much more likely to survive the collapse, and since there are somewhere between dozens and hundreds of explosives, there's an excellent chance of someone stumbling upon one. They might even take it home as a souvenir. No truther, IIRC, has ever found someone saying they found or saw what they thought was the remains of an explosive device. Not one truther is willing to point at a photo and go "I think that used to be part of a bomb".
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Read up on your black box 101. Then read up on the science of explosives and detonations. Someone said a black box was found at ground zero and nothing came of it. So what's your point?
 
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