Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

[Akhenaten]

How come people never say this when joobz brings up slavery 40 or so times in here -- double standard?

I didn't bring it up in response to any comment of yours about slavery, I brought it up in response to your (admittedly irrelevant) comment about one adversary or the other in a conflict believing that God was on its side.

I'm done with this issue of slavery if everyone else is done too.

Why did you bring it up then?

Anyway, it's not your thread, it's ours, and the discussion of slavery as it applies to the truthiness of the New Testament writers won't be over until we say so.

Any questions?

 

[ddt]

I wish famous Civil War era escaped slave and abolitionist Frederick Douglas was alive to back me up against you guys. He wanted everyone converted to Christianity.

http://www.christianhistorytimeline.com/lives_events/more/douglass.shtml

http://www.classicapologetics.com/special/slaverevolt.html

Way to shoot yourself in the foot. That Frederick Douglass could base his abolitionist standpoint on his Christian faith, while others, Southerners, based their pro-slavery standpoint on their Christian faith, is only evidence for the contradictory nature of the scriptures. For about any issue, you can find passages supporting either stance. Was Jesus really such a confused guy that he'd say something and later on the opposite?

 

[ddt]

So my 2500 posts in here aren't enough for you?

It's not the quantity that counts but the quality. Your posts are severely lacking in that department. How is it with your scholarship on Koine Greek and the Luke 2:2 passage?

And as Pharaoh mentioned, your quantity is lacking too. I suggest working on the quality first though.

 

[DOC]

Way to shoot yourself in the foot. That Frederick Douglass could base his abolitionist standpoint on his Christian faith, while others, Southerners, based their pro-slavery standpoint on their Christian faith, is only evidence for the contradictory nature of the scriptures. For about any issue, you can find passages supporting either stance. Was Jesus really such a confused guy that he'd say something and later on the opposite?

I've talked about this issue probably over 30 times, I'm not going to repeat myself. The main reason I brought in Frederick Douglass was slavery was talked about in here many times (usually brought up by people other than me) and the Douglass information (that he wanted everyone converted to Christianity) is new. There are so many posts in here by many people that give no new information; people should be thankful they learned some new information today about a great American regarding this issue of slavery (that others have brought up probably 20 more times than I have).

Now back to the topic.

 

[Akhenaten]

Way to shoot yourself in the foot. That Frederick Douglass could base his abolitionist standpoint on his Christian faith, while others, Southerners, based their pro-slavery standpoint on their Christian faith, is only evidence for the contradictory nature of the scriptures. For about any issue, you can find passages supporting either stance. Was Jesus really such a confused guy that he'd say something and later on the opposite?

Evidence for the each-way bet​

 

[John Jones]

I've talked about this issue probably over 30 times, I'm not going to repeat myself. The main reason I brought in Frederick Douglass was slavery was talked about in here many times (usually brought up by people other than me) and the Douglass information (that he wanted everyone converted to Christianity) is new. There are so many posts in here by many people that give no new information; people should be thankful they learned some new information today about a great American regarding this issue of slavery (that others have brought up probably 20 more times than I have).

Now back to the topic.

None of this is your promised Evidence For Why We Know The New Testament Authors Told The Truth.

 

[John Jones]

I've talked about this issue probably over 30 times, I'm not going to repeat myself. .

HAHAHAHAHA!

Five dollah says DOC repeats himself many more times.

 

[Akhenaten]

I've talked about this issue probably over 30 times, I'm not going to repeat myself.

The main reason I brought in Frederick Douglass was slavery was talked about in here many times (usually brought up by people other than me) and the Douglass information (that he wanted everyone converted to Christianity) is new.

Oops:

I'm done with this issue of slavery if everyone else is done too.

Anyway . . .

Information that the King of Siam offered Abraham Lincoln a few elephants to help with the Northern war effort is new too, and about as relevant as yours. If you want to start a general trivia thread you're in the wrong sub-forum.

As well as being outmatched.

There are so many posts in here by many people that give no new information; people should be thankful they learned some new information today about a great American regarding this issue of slavery (that others have brought up probably 20 more times than I have).

Says the bloke who has not only provided a poorly researched (ie. not at all) reference which in fact contradicts the claim it was meant to support, but couldn't even get the spelling of the poor fellow's name right until the mistake was brought to his attention by another poster.

Fail²

Now back to the topic.

Good idea. How are you going with ddt's translation task? The longer you leave it the worse it looks, you know.

 

[Akhenaten]

I've talked about this issue probably over 30 times, I'm not going to repeat myself. .

HAHAHAHAHA!

Five dollah says DOC repeats himself many more times.

I must learn to type faster.

 

[Gandalfs Beard]

I've talked about this issue probably over 30 times, I'm not going to repeat myself. The main reason I brought in Frederick Douglass was slavery was talked about in here many times (usually brought up by people other than me) and the Douglass information (that he wanted everyone converted to Christianity) is new. There are so many posts in here by many people that give no new information; people should be thankful they learned some new information today about a great American regarding this issue of slavery (that others have brought up probably 20 more times than I have).

Now back to the topic.

This is only evidence that a few Christians are actually decent human beings, despite their obvious handicap.

GB

 

[Gandalfs Beard]

It seems this thread has finaly run it's course. And we are no closer to knowing if the gospellers were writing the truth.

Not that I had joined at the time, but didn't this thread run its course some time on 24th September 2008?

GB

 

[Elizabeth I]

I wish famous Civil War era escaped slave and abolitionist Frederick Douglas was alive to back me up against you guys. He wanted everyone converted to Christianity.

http://www.christianhistorytimeline.com/lives_events/more/douglass.shtml

http://www.classicapologetics.com/special/slaverevolt.html

What this shows is that, despite his intelligence and his many accomplishments, Douglass had bought into one of the reasons ruling classes have pushed Christianity since it was invented: "You don't need to worry about how you're treated in this world since you're bound for glory in the next."

 

[X]

I wish famous Civil War era escaped slave and abolitionist Frederick Douglas was alive to back me up against you guys. He wanted everyone converted to Christianity.

http://www.christianhistorytimeline.com/lives_events/more/douglass.shtml

http://www.classicapologetics.com/special/slaverevolt.html

What on earth makes you think an abolitionist would back someone who has argued in favour of slavery?

So my 2500 posts in here aren't enough for you?

We only need one post, DOC.
Just one.
One single post in which you honestly, directly and rationally support your position(s) and/or respond to a counterpoint.
Just one post, DOC.
When will you make it?

 

[Aepervius]

How come people never say this when joobz brings up slavery 40 or so times in here -- double standard?

I'm done with this issue of slavery if everyone else is done too.

Your job is to demonstrate a point. Repeating the same point to demonstrate something , whether you feel that point is valid or not bring nothing (especially when your audience point you out your "evidence" has been demolished).

Joobz's job (if i can call that) is to simply to present a counter point if he find your reasoning wrong. If a counter point is valid against more than one of your argument it can be presented multiple time.

See the difference ?

Since you presented more than 40 times the same dead-end-logic which has been demonstrated false, joobz can simply limit itself to either present the same counter point, or if he want find another.

But due to the difference of position (YOU trying to demonstarte something and us showing your reasoning to be false) one group may repeat the sam counter point whereas the other group may not repeat the same oft debunked point.

But I guess this will fall on deaf ear. There is no worst deaf than the one which don't to hear.

 

[pakeha]

I wish famous Civil War era escaped slave and abolitionist Frederick Douglas was alive to back me up against you guys. He wanted everyone converted to Christianity.

Let the dead bury the dead, DOC.
What does this allusion to someone's beliefs have to do with your OP?

Well I guess if Joobz can talk about slavery 40 or so times in here. I can talk a few times about it too.

If it helps your case the NT writers were telling the truth, yes.
If not, why not get on with finding evidence to support your OP?

How come people never say this when joobz brings up slavery 40 or so times in here -- double standard?...

No. Posters are reacting to your post alluding to the beliefs of a deceased runaway slave.

... people should be thankful they learned some new information today about a great American regarding this issue of slavery (that others have brought up probably 20 more times than I have)....

You do realise it has nothing to do with the OP, don't you?

Anyway.
10 pages til for the party!

 

[Gandalfs Beard]

You do realise it has nothing to do with the OP, don't you?

What's really galling, is that he actually does think it has something to do with the OP. He's invoking Frederick Douglas as an Authority regarding the "Truth" of the NT...in particular, the Gospels. Apparently we're supposed to be swooning and supplicating ourselves to the mighty mightedness of DOC's latest intellectual hero.

But you already knew that didn't you.

I can't wait for the 500th Page Party. I'm already stocking up on the Buckie and Pipeweed (favoured libations in the Shire).

GB

 

[dafydd]

I wish famous Civil War era escaped slave and abolitionist Frederick Douglas was alive to back me up against you guys. He wanted everyone converted to Christianity.

http://www.christianhistorytimeline.com/lives_events/more/douglass.shtml

http://www.classicapologetics.com/special/slaverevolt.html

So what? The British government once converted the whole country to North Sea gas.

 

[dafydd]

Let the dead bury the dead, DOC.
What does this allusion to someone's beliefs have to do with your OP?


If it helps your case the NT writers were telling the truth, yes.
If not, why not get on with finding evidence to support your OP?



No. Posters are reacting to your post alluding to the beliefs of a deceased runaway slave.

Let's make it a toga party.



You do realise it has nothing to do with the OP, don't you?

Anyway.
10 pages til for the party!

Let's make it a toga party. Loaves and fishes and we will need somebody to turn the water into wine.

 

[dafydd]

So my 2500 posts in here aren't enough for you?

No,laughing is very good for my endorphins. J.B. Morton,alias Beachcomber had a very funny daily column in the Daily Express for fifty years. You have along way to go.

 

[pakeha]

...I'm already stocking up on the Buckie and Pipeweed (favoured libations in the Shire).

GB

And mushrooms

Let's make it a toga party. Loaves and fishes and we will need somebody to turn the water into wine.

I wonder if we could rope Paul into obliging us on that head

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7233886&postcount=343

In order to prove the Scriptures authentic; I will repeat many similar events recorded.
I also intend waking up my friend Ariel Sharon.