Continuation Part 2 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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Fine said:
Amanda, email of November 4th: "The last time i saw meredith, 22, english, beautiful, funny, was when
i came home from spending the night at a friends house. It was the day
after halloween, thursday. I got home and she was still asleep, bu
after i had taken a shower and was fumbling around the kitchen she emerged from her room with the blood of her costume (vampire) still dripping down her chin."

Photograph of Meredith, on Halloween, in vampire costume............

[qimg]http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/11_01/MeredithKercherL_468x506.jpg[/qimg]

I don't see no blood, fake or otherwise. What the heck was Amanda talking about?

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It's been photo-shopped out. In the first several weeks after the crime, a lot of pictures of Meredith with vampire blood were published, but eventually the press realized it wasn't appropriate, and cleansed the pictures.
 
LondonJohn said:
I don't think you're making the distinction between DNA strands and cells which contain those DNA strands. White blood cells, for example, are typically around 10 microns in diameter. This means that 10,000 white blood cells, laid in a 100 x 100 square, would form a square with sides of 0.1mm. This would be just large enough to be seen with the naked eye as a tiny speck.

But DNA strands are far smaller than the cells which contain them. A typical coiled DNA strand is around 4 nanometres long by 2 nanometres wide. That's about 2,000 times smaller than a white blood cell. So there is absolutely no way that one would see even hundreds of thousands of coiled DNA strands grouped together without a powerful microscope.
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I know the difference between DNA and a cell. I thought we were talking about the contamination that we could supposedly see, and I presumed that meant during the bra clasp collection. Surely that would be cells rather than free floating DNA strands?
 
Mary_H said:
It's been photo-shopped out. In the first several weeks after the crime, a lot of pictures of Meredith with vampire blood were published, but eventually the press realized it wasn't appropriate, and cleansed the pictures.
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Hmm. Thanks Mary. That makes sense. I wish all questions about this case had such simple answers.

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CoulsdonUK said:
This may surprise you but CoulsdonUk is not my actual name, aren’t most of us anonymous?
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A rose by any other name....... I know you get my point. Some of us always use the same ID, regardless of whether it is our real name. On Perugia Shock and the West Seattle Herald, you see few guilter IDs used, even though they are promoting guilter rhetoric.
 
shuttlt said:
As opposed to the pro-innocence posters on PerugiaShock who were always well mannered and non-anonymous?
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Well, you're right. On Perugia Shock hardly anyone uses an ID, regardless of their position. There are about four that I can think of who do, including Rose and Kaosium.
 
Mary_H said:
A rose by any other name....... I know you get my point. Some of us always use the same ID, regardless of whether it is our real name. On Perugia Shock and the West Seattle Herald, you see few guilter IDs used, even though they are promoting guilter rhetoric.
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I'm sorry? Anonymous guilters were a problem on PerugiaShock? I see you've posted again.
 
Alt+F4 said:
Thank you. I don't think that Amanda Knox murderered Meredith Kercher. I think she was very high on drugs other than weed and is only guilty of being an accessory after the fact and tampering with evidence. So why cover for two guys she barely knew? I think she was afraid, after all they had just murdered her roommate and by the time her mother arrived in Italy it all got so complicated it was better to just deny everything. Next, look at her behavior and attitude at the first trial, there was no way she thought she would ever be convicted.
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Is the part about being high on drugs other than weed part of the super sekrit testimony Massei somehow neglected to mention? I believe you are vainly searching for justification of your opinion for guilt, not finding it; and then proceeding to speculate that it is there but just not documented for some strange reason.
 
not seeing it

Alt+F4 said:
Hi Poppy,

I dont think I'm being argumentative. I'm being a skeptic which is why I joined this fourm way before Amanda Knox even went to Italy. What interests me most about this case is that people who appear to be intelligent and well educated so easily accept what is fed to them without evidence or corroboration. For example, I'm constantly told that there is no evidence against AK or RS yet there is no trial transcript available for anyone to read and of the 100+ witnesses that testified at the original trial we have only the verbatim testimony of one....Amanda Knox.
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Alt+F4,

I fail to see the consistency in your position. You claim to put great stock in the trial transcript, yet your own narrative about what happened deviates substantially from the first court's story.
 
RoseMontague said:
It goes back to my post, perhaps I was too subtle as well. I do look forward to seeing my post linked to at least 30 times.
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No, you weren't too subtle RM.

It was obvious to any reader, I hope, that in the post of yours I initially responded to you were expressing, by using sarcasm, anger at the 'forensics' who had the temerity to collect & test the severed bra clasp of a rape/murder victim because the result implicated AK's co- defendant and 'alibi'.

And don't worry about your post being over exposed*. Recently we have seen from another poster that when I link to a post which contains a quoted post - the quoted post is somehow rendered invisible :)

* It will also depend to some extent on whether the 'DNA is tiny' argument gains enough traction to become a 'trope'. It appears there may be some positions opening up.
 
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zeb said:
Thank you Dan O.
So now it is just down to just Raffaeles computer, so the data, do you think that the data on that hard drive, would still be there.
I also think the defence should also bring this up, in the appeal, the police has distroyed importent information, showing and Amanda got on well.
Also like you, why would you take a hard disk apart, and take photos of it, I did not Know that part.
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It could be possible that the action of swapping the logic card on Amanda's hard drive caused it to initiate a low level format that would erase every bit of data on the drive making recovery impossible. It may just be that the topology information got rewritten and the drive manufacturer would know how to recover the data.

There is no explanation for why they took the drive apart except perhaps that they are idiots that don't know any better.
 
platonov said:
No, you weren't too subtle RM.

It was obvious to any reader, I hope, that in the post of yours I initially responded to you were expressing, by using sarcasm, anger at the 'forensics' who had the temerity to collect & test the severed bra clasp of a rape/murder victim because the result implicated AK's co- defendant and 'alibi'.
And don't worry about your post being over exposed*. Recently we have seen from another poster that when I link to a post which contains a quoted post - the quoted post is somehow rendered invisible :)

* It will also depend to some extent on whether the 'DNA is tiny' argument gains enough traction to become a 'trope'. It appears there may be some positions opening up.
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Yes, I really must work on being more subtle if my obvious anger is so palpable that it is plainly obvious to any reader. The sarcasm must have been dripping, probably with scorn and derision. I should better hide my dislike, disdain, and contempt for those forces of evil so those observing my posts are not convinced that I am enraged past the point of rational thought.

Thanks for being honest, I appreciate your opinion.
 
Dan O. said:
It could be possible that the action of swapping the logic card on Amanda's hard drive caused it to initiate a low level format that would erase every bit of data on the drive making recovery impossible. It may just be that the topology information got rewritten and the drive manufacturer would know how to recover the data.

There is no explanation for why they took the drive apart except perhaps that they are idiots that don't know any better.
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Just curious if any of those award winners were police computer experts?
 
zeb said:
Thank you Dan O.
So now it is just down to just Raffaeles computer, so the data, do you think that the data on that hard drive, would still be there.
I also think the defence should also bring this up, in the appeal, the police has distroyed importent information, showing and Amanda got on well.
Also like you, why would you take a hard disk apart, and take photos of it, I did not Know that part.
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I imagine the drive wasn't spinning up and they wanted to see whether there was something mechanically wrong with it. If they had taken it apart and not taken photographs people would be objecting to that. Whether taking it apart was a good idea is something else. That alone shouldn't render the data irretrievable, but if they exposed the disk platters, you'll need to get something other than the drive itself to do the reading. They may have intended to go down this route. Depending on the condition of the disk platters it would either be worth doing or not.
 
Dan O. said:
It could be possible that the action of swapping the logic card on Amanda's hard drive caused it to initiate a low level format that would erase every bit of data on the drive making recovery impossible. It may just be that the topology information got rewritten and the drive manufacturer would know how to recover the data.

There is no explanation for why they took the drive apart except perhaps that they are idiots that don't know any better.
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I did some reading up on this a while ago and didn't see an automatic low level format listed as a risk. It's always possible the police manually initiated one. Even given the correct controller card, the layout of the disk can be dependent on the contents of EPROMs on the controller. If you can't find an identical controller with compatible settings, it's pretty much back to the manufacturer or nothing.
 
Is the data on the fried hard disks important? It's not as if, had the chocolate festival photo been available, the case would have been thrown out, is it? The unfortunate business with the police watching movies on his laptop is the real issue here, isn't it? Unlike the fried hard disks, that data is definitely gone for ever.
 
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