Continuation Part 2 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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Amanda's and Raffaele's character

I note that pilot padron did not dispute what Amanda's teacher and employer said but instead went off on a tangent about Marriott. I have never disputed that Amanda and Raffaele made errors of judgment and have character flaws; I do think that many of the things for which they have been criticized are false, as well as being irrelevant.
 
Alt+F4 said:
Can you give us even one example in recent history of a:

1. United States citizen;
2. who doesn't have dipolomatic imunity;
3. that has been convicted of murder in a foreign nation;
4. that was repatriated back to the U.S. and not subject to federal law 18 U.S.C. §§ 4100-4115 ?
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Your questions highlight the uniqueness of this case.

You fit in well with JREF. You like to argue. I am not even sure what your real position is. You attack anything and everything posted by anyone that supports Amanda, right down to the little details. Much like Shuttlt, I think you find entertainment in disagreement.

I have little time for it, that's why I don't post here much. I can post that it's partly cloudy today and you will respond, no it's partly sunny. No real point in all of it.

The injustice committed against Amanda and Raffaele will be corrected one way or another. We will all have to wait and see how it plays out.

What was your theory again? Amanda wasn't really involved but is covering for a guy that she knew for 6 days? Something like that right? Sounds reasonable!
 
Bruce Fisher said:
Can you show me where this has been requested?
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I didn't say it was requested. I asked you why:

Bruce Fisher said:
I do believe this will eventually be corrected by either the Supreme Court or as the result of an agreement reached between governments.
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You answered the first part but I still don't understand why you think that Amanda's case somehow supersedes both United States federal law and international treaties between the EU and the U.S.

You might be right when you state that her conviction will be upheld in the current appeals trial. You might be right when you state the pair has a better chance of exoneration with the Italian Supreme Court. You are totally wrong if you think that Amanda is going to get some sort of backdoor deal between the Americans and the Italians where she gets off a plane in Seattle and just goes home.
 
Bruce Fisher said:
Who said anything about violating United States federal law?
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Ok, perhaps I misunderstood you. What did you mean by:

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If you think that governments don't make deals that bypass the written law then you are wearing really good blinders.
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Bruce Fisher said:
I do believe this will eventually be corrected by either the Supreme Court or as the result of an agreement reached between governments.
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PhantomWolf said:
And as pointed out before, you can't lie to a book, it's an inanimate object.

I want to know WHO, which person, or group of people, ie, Humans, not chairs, tables, or books, did RS lie to.

I already knew that he wrote it in his diary, but that doesn't answer the question of WHO he lied to.
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WHO ever read the diary.
 
tsig said:
WHO ever read the diary.
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I disagree with you there. If someone other than the intended recipient of the diary reads it, then you can't say that RS was lying to that person.

It appears that the diary was addressed to his father and sister, however if he actually intended for them to read it, I don't know. If so, then the only people you could actually say he lied to were them. He certainly never lied to the police or the court about it.
 
I have to agree with Bruce,when it comes to Alt. I find Alt to be very intelligent and well informed. It just seems she is extremely argumentative. Taking the opposite view no matter what is being discussed seems to be her objective. She has brought many valid points to the discussion. It just seems to me that someone as intelligent as she obviously is, can attempt to refute every item that runs opposite of the prosecutions case. JMHO
 
Alt+F4 said:
Ok, perhaps I misunderstood you. What did you mean by:
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I honestly believe this will be corrected at the supreme court level. With that said, there are exceptions to every rule. Executive orders do not violate federal laws. We can go back and forth on this "long shot" but there really isn't any reason to.

What is your position again? Refresh my memory. Where was Amanda when Meredith was murdered?
 
Poppy1016 said:
I have to agree with Bruce,when it comes to Alt. I find Alt to be very intelligent and well informed. It just seems she is extremely argumentative. Taking the opposite view no matter what is being discussed seems to be her objective. She has brought many valid points to the discussion. It just seems to me that someone as intelligent as she obviously is, can attempt to refute every item that runs opposite of the prosecutions case. JMHO
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Hi Poppy,

I dont think I'm being argumentative. I'm being a skeptic which is why I joined this fourm way before Amanda Knox even went to Italy. What interests me most about this case is that people who appear to be intelligent and well educated so easily accept what is fed to them without evidence or corroboration. For example, I'm constantly told that there is no evidence against AK or RS yet there is no trial transcript available for anyone to read and of the 100+ witnesses that testified at the original trial we have only the verbatim testimony of one....Amanda Knox.
 
capealadin said:
Agree. The appeals will fail.
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Seeing how angry you have become in recent months it is no surprise that you believe the appeals will fail. In my opinion you have somehow made yourself believe the argument about Amanda's guilt or innocence is personal. You have stopped looking at facts long ago. Now your mindset is to win the online debate. That is a place far away from reality. If you would stop thinking about how much you hate Bruce FIsher, Chris Mellas, Doug Preston, etc etc. and take a closer look at the facts, you just might come to a different conclusion.

Instead you have taken the position that everyone that supports Amanda is part of a huge complex PR machine that is backed by millions of dollars. The CPJ has been bought by this "supertanker" and this PR firm has managed to take hold of every news outlet in the world.

I know you think I am a horrible person. The truth is I am just an average guy raising a family. I have volunteered my time to help two people that have been wronged. If you stepped back for a moment you might see the truth in it all.
 
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Bruce Fisher said:
I honestly believe this will be corrected at the supreme court level.
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Ok. Does the Italian Supreme Court function as the United State Supreme Court does? Meaning no new evidence or testimony is accepted but rather it's determining if a person's constitutional rights have been violated?

With that said, there are exceptions to every rule. Executive orders do not violate federal laws. We can go back and forth on this "long shot" but there really isn't any reason to.
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President Obama is not going to issue an executive order regarding Amanda Knox. I can guarantee that. If Amanda loses her current appeal and her appeal to the Italian Supreme Court she may be able to get a prisoner transfer back to the U.S. but in no, way, shape or form will that free her.

Where was Amanda when Meredith was murdered?
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She was where she said she was, in the living room with her ears covered to not hear the screams while RS and RG murdered Meredith.
 
Alt, please don't take my comments the wrong way. You are a debator par excellent. I use many of your comments when considering points in this case. I happen to think that you cannot possibly believe all the things you say concerning this case. You do however cause people here to give thought to both sides of the issue. Best wishes
 
Alt+F4 said:
Hi Poppy,

I dont think I'm being argumentative. I'm being a skeptic which is why I joined this fourm way before Amanda Knox even went to Italy. What interests me most about this case is that people who appear to be intelligent and well educated so easily accept what is fed to them without evidence or corroboration. For example, I'm constantly told that there is no evidence against AK or RS yet there is no trial transcript available for anyone to read and of the 100+ witnesses that testified at the original trial we have only the verbatim testimony of one....Amanda Knox.
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Do you honestly think that Massei would leave vital information proving his case out of the motivation document? Do you think the people that attended the court hearings are lying to all of us and are hiding this information that you seek?

Do you think that the hundreds of photos and hours of video along with defense presentations were all doctored before I received them? Do you think I was given a doctored version of the appeals that were filed by the defense?

Why do you think there is vast amounts of secret information that no one has ever seen? It's all out there for you to see. If you stop and look at the facts you will see that Amanda and Raffaele have been wrongfully convicted.
 
Poppy1016 said:
Alt, please don't take my comments the wrong way. You are a debator par excellent. I use many of your comments when considering points in this case. I happen to think that you cannot possibly believe all the things you say concerning this case. You do however cause people here to give thought to both sides of the issue. Best wishes
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Thank you. I don't think that Amanda Knox murderered Meredith Kercher. I think she was very high on drugs other than weed and is only guilty of being an accessory after the fact and tampering with evidence. So why cover for two guys she barely knew? I think she was afraid, after all they had just murdered her roommate and by the time her mother arrived in Italy it all got so complicated it was better to just deny everything. Next, look at her behavior and attitude at the first trial, there was no way she thought she would ever be convicted.
 
Bruce Fisher said:
Do you think that the hundreds of photos and hours of video along with defense presentations were all doctored before I received them? Do you think I was given a doctored version of the appeals that were filed by the defense?
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I have no idea what you have. Do you have the verbatim trial transcript?

Why do you think there is vast amounts of secret information that no one has ever seen? It's all out there for you to see. If you stop and look at the facts you will see that Amanda and Raffaele have been wrongfully convicted.
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Ok, now we are getting somewhere. Where can we read the trial transcript (even in Italian)? In regard to secret information, Candace Dempsey reported recently that Nara Capezzali is deaf and crazy. If that's true it's something important that didn't come out in the trial.
 
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