Continuation Part 2 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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So, it is the case that she wasn't hired as an interpreter? If she wasn't actually a police woman either, why did they hire her?


By the same token, were the police not performing their proper function and hence not officially police? This feels like a no true scotsman argument. No official interpreter ever steps beyond their role, hence she can't have been an official interpreter.

There is a problem in Italy with interpreters.

no national Register of legal interpreters
no national Code of Ethics for legal interpreters
no nationally recognized qualification for legal
interpreters
very low pay for freelance interpreters (only a
small number of staff interpreters working for
the Home Ministry and the Ministry of Justice)
confusion around the roles of interpreters vs.
cultural mediators

http://www.eulita.eu/sites/default/files/Interpreters in the legal process in Italy.pdf

The confusion about the mediator part is very telling in this case as the interpreter made it clear in her testimony that was what she felt her role was.

The police interpreter, Anna Donnino, had earlier denied the police used violence. Under cross-examination she described her role as that of a "mediator" rather than a mere translator of words.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/13/kercher-knox-trial
 
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Yes and thats exactly why Guede needs to stand before the court ,AK, and RS to explain why he accuses the defendants of this crime. They were denied the right to cross examine him in his own trial where he alleges that they are the guilty parties. Now in fairness they should get to question RG verasity.
Guede’s legal team have worked the Italian justice system to enable their client’s sentence to be reduced to 16 years, I doubt that he’ll serve more than 10 years probably less therefore; it’s not in his interest to appear.
Does anyone know which defence team requested Aviello as a witness?
 
Guede’s legal team have worked the Italian justice system to enable their client’s sentence to be reduced to 16 years, I doubt that he’ll serve more than 10 years probably less therefore; it’s not in his interest to appear.
Does anyone know which defence team requested Aviello as a witness?

RS.

The defense believes that the extreme richness of detail and reported on importance to clearly take the statements in the trial of Alessi, Raffaele Sollecito, the need to reopen the hearing for preliminary take his testimony.
 
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I could have shot of explaining it, though of course this is pure speculation.

Guede breaks the window and climbs up to enter the cottage about 8:50pm. He starts to have a look about Filomena's room, note that this room isn't actually ransacked, but gets the urge to go and so heads to the far bathroom to relieve himself.

While on the head he hears the front door open and realises that someone has come home, so after finishing up, he tries to sneak out the front door, meaning he doesn't flush, but finds that it is locked due to the latch being broken. He's now locked in.He decides to confront the occupant and get the keys, so heads down to Meredith's room, they fight and he stabs her three times. At some point here he pulls up her t-shirt and removes her bra, then sexually attacks her as she bleeds to death.

Suddenly realising what he has done, he runs to the bathroom, get the towels and comes back to try and stop the bleeding, but realising it is too late he goes back to the bathroom, cleans off the blood on his hands and tries to wash the leg of his pants.

He then heads back to the bedroom, sees that Meredith is indeed dead, and covers her, perhaps as a mark of respect for the dead, perhaps to hide what he did from himself, or others, perhaps all of the above. He grabs the money, keys, and phones, locks the door to prevent discovery of the crime till at least the next morning, and heads out and down into the park where he would either accidently or deliberately use the phones just after 10pm.

Up to a point - there is of course the broken window.
 
I think it was Amanda's defense who requested Aviello as a witness (said his brother is the one who killed Meredith) and the defense of Raffaele requested Alessi (convicted of killing Tommy Onofri) along with two or three other inmates.

Thanks for keeping me on my toes (as usual). I believe you are correct (again).
 
Thanks christianahannah

It's hard to conceive the advantage defence saw in calling Aviello. I can only speculate that it's related to the intricacies of the justice system - maybe they counted on judge's refusal that would open more possibilities in case of further appealing, maybe the important thing is how and whether Aviello's claims were investigated.

I cannot see anything inappropriate with including Alessi and the other inmates confirming what Guede allegedly said. This information about Guede is important and leaving it out would be inexcusable for the court and negligent for the defence.
 
...or the doors to the balcony.

Of course, he probably never noticed them while he was casing the joint, or partying with the dudes downstairs.

Oh, wait. The house is surrounded by impenetrable forest. I forgot.

Never mind.

I'd swear you'd been around for these discussions before. Oh well, we all know how human memory is fallible.

Wasn't the idea raised before that potentially Meredith could have heard him as he went for the front door and come out to confront him? This would also fit with Rudy's claim to have struggled with the "real killer" outside Meredith's room, which could well have been an attempt on his part to explain traces he thought he might have left in such a struggle with Meredith.
 
...or the doors to the balcony.

Of course, he probably never noticed them while he was casing the joint, or partying with the dudes downstairs.

I think we can exclude balcony doors if we consider Guede tried to leave the premise quietly and unnoticed by Meredith. The terrace door was very close to Meredith's room.

It's also quite possible that he just decided to attack her as soon as he realized she is alone.

I remember someone proposing a diffrent, yet quite possible scenario:
Guede realized the door is locked only after the murder, when he tried to get out. Only then he walked back to her room, took the keys and locked the door, then left. It's compatible with the shoeprints that get fainter in the direction of the door, enough that when he walked back he left no traces. Shoeprints indicate that Guede loitered in the kitchen for a moment.
 
will the defense now get the files

Nothing new, but this time it's Vedova that confirms:

Knox appeal: DNA experts to request more time

"It's not the first time we've asked for the police to hand over this information," della Vedova added.

(...)

"As they've not been able to carry out their first assignment, they are attempting to verify whether the original tests are valid or could have been contaminated," he said.

"But they need the raw data they have asked for from the police to do so. We first asked for it in 2009 and it's still not been handed over," he said.
Katody,

I respectfully demur. Until now I have had to listen to endless variations on the theme "But Hampikian has no standing" or "Well if only Sarah Gino had attended the testing" when I brought up the lack of file release. Now we know that the files were not released. Period. The only question I have at the moment is will the defense get a copy of the files at the same time.

@CoulsdonUK,
GIven that the forensic DNA files were never released during the trial of the first instance, was that trial fair?
 
Isn't the level of paranoia in those fringe circles interesting? When experts and defense say they got no files it's all lies and PR stunt by mighty Marriot.
When Italian authorities take down and gag Frank Sfarzo on Mignini's request -
again a PR move orchestrated by FOA, Marriot or whoever.
 
Here we go again

Is this in response to my asking about "official"/"non official" interpreters. It seems like an answer to a somewhat different question. Surely the interpreter was either official, or she wasn't. Was Mignini not an official prosecutor because you think he did some things he shouldn't? Were the police not official police?

As for the rest of it... has anything new happened on the 'when did she become a suspect/should the 5:45am statement have been taken' front? Otherwise, this is an old argument which only leads to frustration. I wasn't aware though that the interpreter was involved in the 5:45am statement. If that's true I guess it's new (to me anyway :-) ).
She was a policewoman, and her first duty was to the police force, and not Amanda well being.
 
a question

Isn't the level of paranoia in those fringe circles interesting? When experts and defense say they got no files it's all lies and PR stunt by mighty Marriot.
When Italian authorities take down and gag Frank Sfarzo on Mignini's request -
again a PR move orchestrated by FOA, Marriot or whoever.
Katody Matrass,

Yes, and as many articles as I have written about the forensic data files, what I want to know is, "Where is my check?"
 
Katody Matrass,

Yes, and as many articles as I have written about the forensic data files, what I want to know is, "Where is my check?"

In the mail?

It does seem strange that there is still a concerted effort to spin the truth on this, despite all the evidence that you have been correct from the very beginning.
 
Quite interesting new commentary:
MSNBC Today (video)

Who is this Tacopina guy?

ETA:
Looks like some high profile TV lawyer..

Nick Pisa also in the video: "...house of cards that it was built on is slowly collapsing. Looks like it will collapse in a spectacular fashion" who would guess?
 
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Guede’s legal team have worked the Italian justice system to enable their client’s sentence to be reduced to 16 years, I doubt that he’ll serve more than 10 years probably less therefore; it’s not in his interest to appear.

Such an insult to the victims family.

To place such a low sentence to someone like Rudy, who raped and murdered a child like Meredith.
 
Why is that

Shutit
Give you your due, you are very clever at English, and string words, which I wish I could do, but I cannot.
I do wish, that like you and london john I could do the above, but I can't.
that is a fact of life to me, and it will not change.
All you do is keep turning the facts into friction, but adding nothing that is of vaule to this log.
Why is that?
 
Such an insult to the victims family.

To place such a low sentence to someone like Rudy, who raped and murdered a child like Meredith.
I absolutely and whole heartedly agree with your post! I find extent that someone convicted or murder through good behaviour in prison etc., can have their sentence reduce by up to a third, disgisting.
 
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Katody,

I respectfully demur. Until now I have had to listen to endless variations on the theme "But Hampikian has no standing" or "Well if only Sarah Gino had attended the testing" when I brought up the lack of file release. Now we know that the files were not released. Period. The only question I have at the moment is will the defense get a copy of the files at the same time.

@CoulsdonUK,
GIven that the forensic DNA files were never released during the trial of the first instance, was that trial fair?
If the prosecution, forensic examiners were negligent in providing the data files then I assume they will be sanctioned or reprimanded in some way, do you know what reason they gave for the delay?

Do you have any conclusions regarding the defence team’s strategy of submitting their own witnesses (Alessi and Aviello), do you get the impression they are working together?
 
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