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conspiracy psychology debunked

cantonear1968 said:
There's a great quote about theatre actors:

A great review can make someone a star
A bad review can make someone a hero
No review makes someone a nobody

It's not about discussing the evidence because any and all evidence was taken away from them years ago. It's simply about keeping the discussion going so they don't slip away into irrelevancy (even though this, too, happened years ago). Why? Probably a hundred different reasons. For some, like Gage and Jones, it's to continue drawing a pay cheque. For others, its so they can "fight the man!" from the comfort of their basements. For still others, I guess they truly believe they just need to get to that one person who is on the fence to start a tidal wave of TRUTH!!!!

Oh look what I did! I did exactly what dommyboysinjapan's topic was about. I guess that proves 9/11 was an inside job!
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I truly believe we just need to get to those 100,000,000 or so people who are on the fence to start a tidal wave of TRUTH.
 
Sabrina said:
I still would like dommysboy to explain what the purpose of this thread is from his perspective.

How about it, dommysboy?
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The point was to draw a distinction between real psychology (like the Asch conformity experiments) alluded to be Manwell and pseudo-psychology (like suggesting that people support 9/11 Truth because they feel a sense of comfort over this notion,) by inviting discussion.
 
dommyboysinjapan said:
I truly believe we just need to get to those 100,000,000 or so people who are on the fence to start a tidal wave of TRUTH.
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There is no evidence for 911 truth, so your tidal wave would be a movement back to the dark ages, a movement of dumbed downed people wanting to be followers and not thinking for themselves.

There is psychology to describe 911 truth cult members, unless you are saying psychology is not a valid area of study? Are you denying psychology? You are blinding supporting 911 truth as if they had evidence and due to some block, you can't see they are based on lies, hearsay and fantasy.

Nations have fallen for the tide of hate, ignorance and bigotry, and you are wishing for a repeat performance. You set low goals.
 
beachnut said:
There is no evidence for 911 truth, so your tidal wave would be a movement back to the dark ages, a movement of dumbed downed people wanting to be followers and not thinking for themselves.

There is psychology to describe 911 truth cult members, unless you are saying psychology is not a valid area of study? Are you denying psychology? You are blinding supporting 911 truth as if they had evidence and due to some block, you can't see they are based on lies, hearsay and fantasy.

Nations have fallen for the tide of hate, ignorance and bigotry, and you are wishing for a repeat performance. You set low goals.
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When did I say that psychology was not a valid area of study?
 
switchpoint said:
You forgot No.6, LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME! These conspiracist are basically arrested adolescents screaming for attention. They are all busy trying to one-up each other, coming out with increasingly whackier "theories". For instance - one will say, "Flight 11 had a pod hanging off the wing when it hit the building"! Then the next one will say, "Think that's radical? I don't think Flight 11 even existed - it was a hologram"! Controlled demolition vs thermite vs mini nukes vs space beams. Ad nauseum. There really isn't a need to do a lot of in-depth investigation into the syndrome, it affects a microscopic cross section of the population and really doesn't deserve a lot of attention.

By the way don't confuse the conspiracist with a larger and reasonable section of the population that may not be satisfied with the governments explanation of the intelligence and security failures that contributed to 9/11.
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So the experts that are speaking out risk their reputations, their careers and sometimes even their lives just because they are "arrested adolescents screaming for attention?"

Thank you for further proving my OP about the psuedo-psychological bull.
 
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The thing is for you dommyboy is that this is an endless uphill battle for you for 2 reasons. 1, there is no evidence or coherent argument for 9/11 truth. 2, millions of people rabidly believe otherwise. Therefore we can conclude that something pathological is happening in their brains.

And this entire thread is just another attempt at the truther fallacy. "If you can't explain every little detail of every little anomaly than I'm right."


dommyboysinjapan said:
I truly believe we just need to get to those 100,000,000 or so people who are on the fence to start a tidal wave of TRUTH.
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There is more of a chance of the world ending this weekend.
 
dommyboysinjapan said:
So the experts that are speaking out risk their reputations, their careers and sometimes even their lives just because they are "arrested adolescents screaming for attention?"

Thank you for further proving my OP about the psuedo-psychological bull.
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Why are "experts" speaking out, spreading delusions, supporting lies? Looks like the damage to their reputation is earned by making up, or supporting lies 911 truth made up out of thin air. When you list their evidence, 1.-, you find out why they have psychology disorders, or are dumber than a half box of rocks.

When you support fantasy, it becomes self-critiquing. Are you upset 911 truth has failed to move into reality, or the reality you joined an anti-intellectual movement so full of nonsense it is in it's 10th year of failure with no hope for evidence?
 
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dommyboysinjapan said:
So the experts that are speaking out risk their reputations, their careers and sometimes even their lives just because they are "arrested adolescents screaming for attention?"

Thank you for further proving my OP about the psuedo-psychological bull.
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If I have to choose between pseudo psychological bull and pseudo scientific bable of the twoof cult. .. well hard choise.. very hard.

We are lousy psychologists. You proved it. Big deal. Enjoy your biggedy biggy victory.

Now, provide a iota of evidence for whatever flavour of twoof you believe in.

See? That's why you have to bable.
 
dommyboysinjapan said:
So the experts that are speaking out risk their reputations, their careers and sometimes even their lives just because they are "arrested adolescents screaming for attention?"

Thank you for further proving my OP about the psuedo-psychological bull.
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Those "experts" risk their reputations and careers because they promote ideas that their peers (and the majority of non-experts) disagree with.

They are unable to provide solid evidence that their "facts" are based on rigorous science that could withstand peer review. In fact, they don't even take the time to even present their evidence for peer review.

Also, I'm not aware of the lives of any of these "experts" being threatened. Enlighten me.
 
Studies illustrating the emotional, psychological and/or intellectual impairment inherent to 911 Truth are about as necessary as studies proving that holocaust deniers are anti-semitic. I mean honestly, what a complete waste of professionals’ time. Nobody cares about wanton nutters.
 
dommyboysinjapan said:
So the experts that are speaking out risk their reputations, their careers and sometimes even their lives just because they are "arrested adolescents screaming for attention?"

Thank you for further proving my OP about the psuedo-psychological bull.
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Hi Dommy. I want to try and avoid all the name calling that's going on here. I have a couple of questions about your post and this particularly about this comment.

Why do you think this is the case? I mean what cases or examples have lead you to feel this is happening?
 
I don't have to be a psychologist to see the nitty gritty on this one, when it's plain as day.

People think 9/11 and other CTers are crazy, because, well, look at y'all...

You all act crazy, you all spew crazy things, and then when people say that you are crazy, you all try to cover it up by weaving it all into your delusions and paranoid conspiracies. You say "they" are out to get you, "they" are out to get your experts, discredit and even kill them. Furthermore everyone that disagrees with you all, get called shills, sheeple, paid disinfo agents, and asleep. Alll opposing experts and professionals are all labeled liars, accused of being paid off and/or threatened by "them", or even accused of being in on it. You think these thing's fool us all, but they actually are just another example of the craziness...

Face it, y'all totally bring the "crazy" label on yourselves.
 
The Platypus said:
I don't have to be a psychologist to see the nitty gritty on this one, when it's plain as day.

People think 9/11 and other CTers are crazy, because, well, look at y'all...

You all act crazy, you all spew crazy things, and then when people say that you are crazy, you all try to cover it up by weaving it all into your delusions and paranoid conspiracies. You say "they" are out to get you, "they" are out to get your experts, discredit and even kill them. Furthermore everyone that disagrees with you all, get called shills, sheeple, paid disinfo agents, and asleep. Alll opposing experts and professionals are all labeled liars, accused of being paid off and/or threatened by "them", or even accused of being in on it. You think these thing's fool us all, but they actually are just another example of the craziness...

Face it, y'all totally bring the "crazy" label on yourselves.
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This is a very real point. While I am sure there are many Truthers who have experienced ridicule and condemnation, it is important to distinguish between this and what Dommy is claiming.

So Dommy, very real question, are you aware of personal cases or examples that point to professional persecution because the people involved supported some sort of 9/11 Truth related idea. Or is it, as The Platypus claims, just confusion with being laughed at because some people thing this idea is too stupid to imagine?
 
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dommyboysinjapan said:
I truly believe we just need to get to those 100,000,000 or so people who are on the fence to start a tidal wave of TRUTH.
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The Truth is already known. 19 hijackers under the direction of the recently deceased Osama Bin Laden commandeered 4 aircraft, slamming two of them into the WTC's twin towers, one into the pentagon, and a 4th into a field in Shanksville, PA. Fires and structural damage lead to a catastrophic collapse of both WTC 1 and 2. When WTC 1 collapsed, debris smashed into WTC 7 igniting fires on several floors and severely damaging the south facade. Hours later after fires went unfought, WTC 7 came down as well.

That's the truth. Prove it wrong. Haven't been able to in 10 years.
 
Oz1976 said:
The Truth is already known. 19 hijackers under the direction of the recently deceased Osama Bin Laden commandeered 4 aircraft, slamming two of them into the WTC's twin towers, one into the pentagon, and a 4th into a field in Shanksville, PA. Fires and structural damage lead to a catastrophic collapse of both WTC 1 and 2. When WTC 1 collapsed, debris smashed into WTC 7 igniting fires on several floors and severely damaging the south facade. Hours later after fires went unfought, WTC 7 came down as well.

That's the truth. Prove it wrong. Haven't been able to in 10 years.
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Let's not get too distracted from the OP. Dommy says he feels professionals involved in or even thinking about this 9/11 Truth sort of stuff are in danger. The Platypus has suggested Dommy is confusing ridicule with danger. I'd like him to clarify this. Examples of people he knows or has heard of who would clarify this the best. Dommy has implied this is a danger for anyone involved in this sort of knowledge exploration and I suppose this includes him. I'd like to know more about these regular professional types whose careers are in danger not just because their colleagues and peers believe they are really stupid and possibly mentally ill. I'd like to know how he knows this.
 
dommyboysinjapan said:
The point is that if they had their beliefs for years and then changed their beliefs there are other things at play than are being suggesested.
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Senility accounts for a lot of it. Cumulative effect of drug usage can do the same thing.

Being Nazi trash like about a quarter of the heavy hitters in the movement is a major factor. Half iof the crap that idiot boy Dylan used in the first cut of Loose Change came from a Nazi source. Some people just did not have people like us close at hand to show them where the Nazis and lunatics and con men were leading them astray.

Steven Jones did not make up thermite. It is a simple mix of aluminum powder and iron oxide. It has been used for welding and other things for many years.
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So what? Chucklenuts has never proven that he has any samples of thermite, nor is there any evidence for its use that the could not be debunked by any fire fighter, welder, cop or artist who works in metal etching could not wad up and pitch into the wastebasket without breaking a sweat. The old jelly brain has PAINT. This information is easily verifiable.
 
twinstead said:
LOL tidal wave of truth. That ROCKS!
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More like a Tsunami of senselessness or maybe a ripple of laughter... No, no, wait... A whirlpool of witlessness, a tidepool of turgidity or perhaps the rapids of ridicule.

(I think I need to go to bed now)
 
Now boys, I understand how easy it is to get worked up about some of the things that come up in these discussions, but let's try and stick to one point at a time - and that point was started by the OP.

Dommy, I sincerely want to talk with you about this group of persecuted 9/11 Truth advocates you appear to be referring to. Who are they and what happened to convince you this was persecution and not just ridicule? I understand that you have posted extensively about 9/11 Truth in your real world name. Have you experienced any persecution that can be distinguished from ridicule? I would genuinely like to know more about this.
 
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