Moderated WTC 1 features list, initiation model / WTC 2 features list, collapse model

I document features and motion. I don't "consider" Bazant, R Mackey or the NIST to be wrong. They flatly contradict the visual record. This is the first question to ask:

1) Does the visual record match the official explanations of how and why each building collapsed?

The answer for WTC1 is "no". It is not because I "believe" it, but because the visual record flatly contradicts the NIST description of how the building really moved.

The R Mackey claim of tilt and BV, BL and BLGB are incorrect because they flatly contradict the visual record.


This is an important finding in itself because it means your official history is incorrect. I'm sure many of the readers don't care about that but the truth is that the NIST claims to have identified the how and why of the WTC1 collapse but they did not.

The how and why are still unknown. Nobody has answered the question but a big, fat NIST report seems to have the answer buried within it. It is just an illusion though I'm sure few readers would care about such trifles.

Anyway, for the few who may care about the actual history, the truth is that the true collapse mechanism remains unidentified.

This is why questions #2 and #3 are important to answer, because we can all check the visual evidence and verify that the NIST does not describe the how of WTC1 earliest movement and early visible movement.

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Moving on to question #2:

2) Does the visual record match any of the known "truther" explanations of how and why each building collapsed?

It depends on the "truther". Let us first consider Richard Gage.


Claims made by AE911T in support of demolition

A summary of all claims made by AE911T can be found on their home page and their webpage titled "evidence".



A basic list of claims on which AE911T bases demolition can be found on the AE911T home page. This is a direct quote from the home page concerning WTC 1 and WTC 2:




explo2.jpg


As seen in this revealing photo, the Twin Towers' destruction exhibited all of the characteristics of destruction by explosives:


1) Destruction proceeds through the path of greatest resistance at nearly free-fall acceleration
2) Improbable symmetry of debris distribution
3) Extremely rapid onset of destruction
4) Over 100 first responders reported explosions and flashes
5) Multi-ton steel sections ejected laterally
6) Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete & metal decking
7) Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds
8 ) 1200-foot-dia. debris field: no "pancaked" floors found
9) Isolated explosive ejections 20 – 40 stories below demolition front
10) Total building destruction: dismemberment of steel frame
11) Several tons of molten metal found under all 3 high-rises
12) Evidence of thermite incendiaries found by FEMA in steel samples
13) Evidence of explosives found in dust samples
14) No precedent for steel-framed high-rise collapse due to fire


And exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire, i.e.


1) Slow onset with large visible deformations
2) Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, intact, from the point of plane impact, to the side most damaged by the fires)
3) Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel
4) High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never “collapsed”.

Well, the photo is of WTC2 but Richard Gage never bothers to specify how that shows squat for WTC1.


Do these observations match the visual record?

If we compare these claims with the list of measurable, observable attributes documented on this website, we see that the AE9/11T list does not describe WTC1, but some imaginary building which exists only in the minds of the website's authors.


By comparing the list of actual observed and measurable features with the list given by the Architects and Engineers home page, we can check point by point which of these claims are real and which are not real.


Points easy to refute:

Examination of basic points:


1) Destruction proceeds through the path of greatest resistance at nearly free-fall acceleration

Consider the first item on the AE911T list, claiming near free fall acceleration of the collapse front.

A visual record of the leading heavy object in free fall from WTC1 is linked below. If you compare the position of the object with the collapse fronts at any moment, anyone can verify that the AE911T claim cannot be correct without making a single calculation.

http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911..._op=view_page&PAGE_id=96&MMN_position=230:230

5 or 6 publicly available photos is all that is necessary to debunk the first claim on AE911T list.

The near free fall claim cannot be true.

The same comparison between the earliest falling heavy object and the observed collapse fromt for WTC2. Done at the link:
http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911..._op=view_page&PAGE_id=96&MMN_position=230:230

It is obvious the earliest falling objects are way, way ahead of the collapse front for both WTC1 and WTC2 at all times.

Any large free-falling piece opf metal can be compared to visible collapse fronts progressing down the building to verify that claims of free-fall collapse are absurd.



2) Improbable symmetry of debris distribution

The most probable way in which debris propagated through the building to earth has been identified. The OOS Collapse Propagation Model is the only known mechanism that argees with observables. According to an OOS propagation mechanism, the outward peeling of the perimeters is the main mechanism by which heavy debris is pushed outward from the building and stretched from the footprint outwards in each direction.

The debris layout has been recorded and sheets of perimeter lying outward from the footprint from all faces has been identified. Such distribution would be expected to be relatively symmetrical as witnessed.


5) Multi-ton steel sections ejected laterally

Peeling mechanism explains lateral movement ans range of observed debris.

6) Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete & metal decking

An ordinary demolition doesn't require the building be blown to bits. An ordinary demolition that splits columns in such a way that gravity does most all the work does not require massive mid-air pulverization of concrete.

7) Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds

A demolition engineered on ROOSD principles would create a similar cloud through a natural process of crushing.

8) 1200-foot-dia. debris field: no "pancaked" floors found

The perimeter columns extended out from each side of the footprints, the longest extending outward possibly 500 ft.

The peeling process provides a mechanism by which the farthest columns can be propelled outwards as the top portions of a large peeling sheet.

10) Total building destruction: dismemberment of steel frame

The ROOSD process would be expected to remain confined to within the perimeter caging, propagating to earth with no discontinuous barriers besides the mechanical room floors. There is no reason to expect the ROOSD process to be halted.

11) Several tons of molten metal found under all 3 high-rises


12) Evidence of thermite incendiaries found by FEMA in steel samples


13) Evidence of explosives found in dust samples

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Neither the NIST or Richard Gage properly identified the "how" of WTC1 building failure. They are both wrong.
 
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I document features and motion. I don't "consider" Bazant, R Mackey or the NIST to be wrong. They flatly contradict the visual record. This is the first question to ask:

1) Does the visual record match the official explanations of how and why each building collapsed?

The answer for WTC1 is "no". It is not because I "believe" it, but because the visual record flatly contradicts the NIST description of how the building really moved.

The R Mackey claim of tilt and BV, BL and BLGB are incorrect because they flatly contradict the visual record.

This is an important finding in itself because it means your official history is incorrect. I'm sure many of the readers don't care about that but the truth is that the NIST claims to have identified the how and why of the WTC1 collapse but they did not.

The how and why are still unknown. Nobody has answered the question but a big, fat NIST report seems to have the answer buried within it. It is just an illusion though I'm sure few readers would care about such trifles.

Anyway, for the few who may care about the actual history, the truth is that the true collapse mechanism remains unidentified.

This is why questions #2 and #3 are important to answer, because we can all check the visual evidence and verify that the NIST does not describe the how of WTC1 earliest movement and early visible movement.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Moving on to question #2:

2) Does the visual record match any of the known "truther" explanations of how and why each building collapsed?

It depends on the "truther". Let us first consider Richard Gage.


Claims made by AE911T in support of demolition

A summary of all claims made by AE911T can be found on their home page and their webpage titled "evidence".



A basic list of claims on which AE911T bases demolition can be found on the AE911T home page. This is a direct quote from the home page concerning WTC 1 and WTC 2:






Well, the photo is of WTC2 but Richard Gage never bothers to specify how that shows squat for WTC1.


Do these observations match the visual record?

If we compare these claims with the list of measurable, observable attributes documented on this website, we see that the AE9/11T list does not describe WTC1, but some imaginary building which exists only in the minds of the website's authors.


By comparing the list of actual observed and measurable features with the list given by the Architects and Engineers home page, we can check point by point which of these claims are real and which are not real.


Points easy to refute:

Examination of basic points:


1) Destruction proceeds through the path of greatest resistance at nearly free-fall acceleration

Consider the first item on the AE911T list, claiming near free fall acceleration of the collapse front.

A visual record of the leading heavy object in free fall from WTC1 is linked below. If you compare the position of the object with the collapse fronts at any moment, anyone can verify that the AE911T claim cannot be correct without making a single calculation.

http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911..._op=view_page&PAGE_id=96&MMN_position=230:230

5 or 6 publicly available photos is all that is necessary to debunk the first claim on AE911T list.

The near free fall claim cannot be true.

The same comparison between the earliest falling heavy object and the observed collapse fromt for WTC2. Done at the link:
http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911..._op=view_page&PAGE_id=96&MMN_position=230:230

It is obvious the earliest falling objects are way, way ahead of the collapse front for both WTC1 and WTC2 at all times.

Any large free-falling piece opf metal can be compared to visible collapse fronts progressing down the building to verify that claims of free-fall collapse are absurd.



2) Improbable symmetry of debris distribution

The most probable way in which debris propagated through the building to earth has been identified. The OOS Collapse Propagation Model is the only known mechanism that argees with observables. According to an OOS propagation mechanism, the outward peeling of the perimeters is the main mechanism by which heavy debris is pushed outward from the building and stretched from the footprint outwards in each direction.

The debris layout has been recorded and sheets of perimeter lying outward from the footprint from all faces has been identified. Such distribution would be expected to be relatively symmetrical as witnessed.


5) Multi-ton steel sections ejected laterally

Peeling mechanism explains lateral movement ans range of observed debris.

6) Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete & metal decking

An ordinary demolition doesn't require the building be blown to bits. An ordinary demolition that splits columns in such a way that gravity does most all the work does not require massive mid-air pulverization of concrete.

7) Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds

A demolition engineered on ROOSD principles would create a similar cloud through a natural process of crushing.

8) 1200-foot-dia. debris field: no "pancaked" floors found

The perimeter columns extended out from each side of the footprints, the longest extending outward possibly 500 ft.

The peeling process provides a mechanism by which the farthest columns can be propelled outwards as the top portions of a large peeling sheet.

10) Total building destruction: dismemberment of steel frame

The ROOSD process would be expected to remain confined to within the perimeter caging, propagating to earth with no discontinuous barriers besides the mechanical room floors. There is no reason to expect the ROOSD process to be halted.

11) Several tons of molten metal found under all 3 high-rises


12) Evidence of thermite incendiaries found by FEMA in steel samples


13) Evidence of explosives found in dust samples

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Neither the NIST or Richard Gage properly identified the "how" of WTC1 building failure. They are both wrong.

So when all is said and done it just doesn't "look right" to you.
 
Reviewing the 3 questions:

1) Does the visual record match the official explanations of how and why each building collapsed?

2) Does the visual record match any of the known "truther" explanations of how and why each building collapsed?

And after these questions are answered honestly, the MIHOP question is addressed:

3) Does the visual record contain evidence of intentional manipulation of structural components behind any of the 3 collapses?

In the case of the evidence list on the AE911T homepage and the NIST mistakes mentioned earlier, the first 2 questions can be answered "no" and "no".

I am aware that many people simply do not care, but these "no" answers change our understanding of history. (I know history must be such a boring subject for many regular JREF posters.)

If we realize that both the NIST and AE911T describe gross observables of the "how" of the WTC1 collapse incorrectly, then what the hell really happened??

In truth the collapse of WTC1 remains quite mysterious after almost 10 years. There is an incorrect govt report on the subject and some verifiably incorrect claims on the front page of the AE911T website, but underneath all the fog nobody seems to have a clue as to what really happened.

This is why I mentioned earlier that people have wasted years engaged in fake debate. All parties have been wrong concerning WTC1. The true how and why remain as unexplained as ever.


Only those who can answer the first 2 questions honestly (with "no", "no") are ready to study the 3rd question with the attention that sincere historical review merits.
 
So when all is said and done it just doesn't "look right" to you.

No. What I do is collect and organize a complete list of observables and measurables like this...

BEFORE COLLAPSE
Damage to Basement and Lobby
Fire, Smoke Ejections as WTC2 is Struck
Strong Fire Ejections As WTC2 Collapses
Inward Bowing of the S Perimeter
Ejections Witnessed at 10:18
Roofline Smoke Pulses just before Collapse

COLLAPSE INITIATION
Drift and Drop Movements Traced and Plotted: Summary
Upper West Wall Pulls Inward 9.5s before Collapse
Antenna Base Shifts Eastward 9.5s before Collapse
Fire Flair-up along E Face 3s before Collapse
Antenna Sags 2 ft into Roofline before Falling
Concave Roof Deformity Measured by Drop Curves
Earliest Ejections from fl 95, W Face, S Side
Over-pressurization of fl 98 before Falling Begins
Minimal Tilt: Less than 1 Degree before Falling
Both N and W Perimeter Walls Fail Within 0.5s Interval
NW Corner: Upper Slides over N Face, Behind W Face
NE Corner: Upper Assembly Snaps Over Lower Portion
Jolts Detected in Earliest Antenna, NW Corner Drops
88th Fl S Face Light Grey Ejection
77th Fl Over-pressurization Timing Inexplicable


COLLAPSE PROGRESSION AND COMPLETION
West Wall Motion
North Wall Motion
South Wall Motion
East Wall Motion
Ejections Below Collapse Fronts
Mechanical Floor Ejections
Ejections Traversing E Face, Fls 50-55
Antenna Section Falls Southward
Free-fall Comparison: Tracking Earliest Falling Object
Entire E-W Width of the Core Survives Initial Collapse
Surviving Core Remnant Drops Collectively
Rubble Layout and Column Conditions Recorded


These are all documented features. This is the most complete record of WTC1 movement in the public domain.

There is no excuse for pretending these features and measurements are not observable or don't exist.
 
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... There is no excuse for pretending these features and measurements are not observable or don't exist.
You jumped the shark years ago. How does this failed post support your claim of an inside job and that gravity collapse is an illusion? How is your CD claim going after years of failure? What is next? What is your goal? What is your conclusion beside the failed CD claim?
 
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This is in regards to post 1121.

Question: The picture that you posted... what floors are we seeing? Can you superimpose a scale or reference point?

thx
 
~ 45-55
That's WTC 2 after the the collapse was underway and the upper section became obscured. For reference the collapse initiated ~ floor 76-80.

As for MT's posts, it's a start, but far from complete. As someone who hadn't followed his posts consistently it helps to know some of the specific arguments he's making, but I'd be interested in understanding where the evidence he has leads him. I agree with most of the arguments he makes against AE911truth's shoddy workmanship with exception to the idea that the true collapse mechanisms haven't been explained enough to be determined by NIST

MT, I'd implore you to go further and explain what your findings suggest to you. If you want to make a disclaimer that it's an opinion then fine, but unless you tell me what your evidence suggests I have nothing to compare with the points I found reasonably valid when I read portions of the NIST report.

Can you for example, point out any physical evidence that would confirm or augment the visual observations with which you've deemed ROOSD plausible through artificial controlled intervention?
 
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WTC2 Feature List, Complete Collapse Model

This is the first complete mapping of the WTC2 collapse process available in the public domain.

The collapse initiation process is found to consist of a 5 stage sequence of visible events. Original failure lines along the east and west faces are identified.

Collapse progression follows the Twin Towers Collapse Dynamics Model. The mechanics consists of a ROOSD process followed by the dropping of the 4 perimeter walls.


The list of observed features:

BEFORE THE COLLAPSE---------
Pressure Bursts from E Face, Fls 77 and 80
Inward Bowing of East Perimeter
Molten Substance Seen Falling from near NW Corner
E Face Pressurized Pulse Just Before Initiation
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------COLLAPSE INITIATION MODEL---------
First E Face Ejections Along 78th and 75 Fl Slabs
78th and 75th Rows of Ejections Sharply DIscontinuous
78th fl E Face Ejections in Detail
East Perimeter Snaps Cleanly Along Bolt Seams
Flash and Destruction of NE Corner, Fl 90
Concave Roofline Deformation While Tilting
Pressure Punches along N Face as Building Tilts
Early West Face Ejections Above and Below MER Panels
W MER Perimeter w/Beam Flooring Ejected from Building
75-78th Fl W MER Panels Ripped along Failure Lines
.
-----COLLAPSE PROGRESSION MODEL-----
East Wall Motion
West Wall Motion
South Wall Motion
North Wall Motion
NE Corner Remained Standing
Ejections From Below WTC2 Collapse Front
Mechanical Floor Ejections
Free-fall Comparison: Tracking Earliest Falling Object
Portion of Core Survives Initial Collapse
Rubble Layout and Column Conditions Recorded
 
This is the first complete mapping of the WTC2 collapse process available in the public domain.

The collapse initiation process is found to consist of a 5 stage sequence of visible events. Original failure lines along the east and west faces are identified.

Collapse progression follows the Twin Towers Collapse Dynamics Model. The mechanics consists of a ROOSD process followed by the dropping of the 4 perimeter walls.


The list of observed features: ...


Does this support your claim the gravity collapse was an illusion? How does it dovetail to your CD delusions? Your 10th year of failure, and you are studying the collapse, a gravity collapse, which does not support your claim.

Does this "study" support your earlier claim?
These are just some of the factors which, when studied in depth, show that the supposed "gravity-driven collapse" is a mere illusion to mask an intentional act so barbaric, so inhumane and morally impoverished that the fabled characteristics of Satan come to mind.

Please stay tuned as we discuss each of these factors in detail, while, of course, sticking to the subject originally posted in this thread.
Why is this in the CT section? Goal? Conclusion? None.

Do you stand by your claim? 10 more years.

Your list is exactly what you have in a gravity collapse. There goes your rational MIHOP theory. 19 terrorists did 911.

It is a matter of logic, a matter of physics, E=mgh. Who will figure out 19 terrorists did 911, you, or other 911 truthers?
 
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For those who wish to understand the global flow of material during the WTC2 collapse, the links provided should prove invaluable.

It is possible to map the movement of the entire 110 story wall of the WTC2 east face. The 110 story wall falls to earth as 3 sheets broken along the first bolted step connections just above the 77-75 and 43-41 MER levels.

The key to understanding the general global movement is in knowing how the east and west walls fall to earth. The ROOSD process is uneven just as it is within WTC1, this time east ROOSD leads west ROOSD. This is important when considering how the east wall falls relative to the west wall.

Good thing for us, both east and west walls are mappable by carefully piecing together the visual record.


East wall...
3layers.jpg
.......................West wall...
wtc2westwall.jpg


The east wall breaks along the top edges of the green MER sections, the breaks are shown as purple lines. The whole wall drops as 3 large sections. The upper part falls behind the middle part. The middle part breaks along the lower purple lines and falls over the bottom part. After this, the lower part falls out as a single sheet with the uppermost edge of the sheet being the 41-43 green MER panels.

The west wall follows a different falling pattern breaking into the large pieces shown as different colors. Knowledge of how the east wall falls relative to the west wall allows us to see details of the WTC2 collapse process not known before.
 
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The west wall follows a different falling pattern breaking into the large pieces shown as different colors. Knowledge of how the east wall falls relative to the west wall allows us to see details of the WTC2 collapse process not known before.
Not known before? lol, you are hilarious. You are making up nonsense about the collapse, a gravity collapse. What is the goal?

After the global collapse starts your study is worthless and not a topic for 911 truth CT forum except the fact you have the CD claim, a failed claim. Study of the collapse past initiation is worthless except to help CD of large structures, which can be done with math and physics. Your study is math and physics free, all based on what you see, and your opinions, mixed up with the fantasy you think you are doing science, like Einstein. It is funny. Got math, no. Got physics not, in fact you are thinking the physics on 911 is not defined, save your visual analysis, you are unique.
 
This is in regards to post 1121.

Question: The picture that you posted... what floors are we seeing? Can you superimpose a scale or reference point?

thx

image is from homepage of AE911T here

RIght column, half way down the page.

It is WTC2 so the best place to ask any quesions about what we are looking at is in the WTC2 feature list thread that I just started. The destruction is seen progressing just above the 41-43 MER level. Ejection from fl 41 (ish).

I can tell you whatever you want to know about that photo in the other thread. All WTC1 questions here, WTC2 questions in the other thread, please.
 
No, never documented before. All original work. Beachnut, chill bro.

And remember, you are never too old to learn something new.
 
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No, never documented before. All original work. Beachnut, chill bro.

And remember, you are never too old to learn something new.

What is your conclusion? How will you back in CD, and your rational MIHOP stuff? How does your work relate to 911 CTs? How does your work relate to your claims of CD? How does this support your claim the gravity collapse is an illusion?

Nothing to refute the reality of a gravity collapse. Your illusion claim, wrong. This is bad news for your position of an inside job by your Satan figure, you can't define or name.


Recap, please make this relevant to 911 CTs...
How is this related to 911 CTs?

How does this support your claim the gravity collapse is an illusion to cover up your Satan figure did it? Did you drop your MIHOP claims? Are you on board with 19 terrorists did it fact?

Next you will avoid making your stuff applicable to 911 CTs, and fail to make point which means anything with respect to 911.

The facts were documented on 911, on video, your claims are too late to declare a gravity collapse, that was known on 911, you might catch up this year, or not.

What was the goal, the purpose, your conclusions?

Here you are wasting your time, not qualified to understand or comprehend a collapse which released 130 Tons of TNT energy in a gravity collapse. I asked Leslie Robertson who designed the structure of the WTC towers, and he say gravity collapse due to aircraft impacts and fire. You are not an engineer, Robertson is THE engineer, you lost this one, better luck next gravity collapse. You wasted all this time and failed to get an expert; I got an expert, you got your untrained eyes. As an engineer, I usually get the expert on the subject, instead of wasting time with someone who claims the gravity collapse is an illusion. Have you retracted that nonsense yet?
 
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One unique aspect of the WTC2 feature list is the inclusion of a collapse initiation model:


The 5 stages of collapse initiation


WTC2_IZ_model2.jpg





1) 81, 82nd fl spandrels pull in sharply (along green and blue lines)......................inward bowing

2) 78th fl ejections.....................east wall separates into upper and lower parts


this allows tilting to begin

3) Tilting


whole upper part drops with this action

4) 75th fl east face row of ejections

5) 75th fl west wall north and south quarter of MER panels ejected from building with flooring. NW and SW MER corners are destroyed.



The first 2 stages allow tilting to begin. Stages 4 and 5 finish the tilt and begin the fall.

The first 2 stages initiate tilt. The final 2 stages terminate tilt.





Stage 1: Sharp pull-in of 81st and 82nd floor spandrels along the green lines and the blue line. The pull-in will break the east wall into upper and lower part along the purple lines.




The pull-in along the blue line, on the north face, is shown below:


cazz47pull.gif





Stages 2, 3 and 4:


78th and 75th floor ejection locations

The 78th row ejections came out of the 7 areas marked in red along the 78th spandrel.

ejection__locations.jpg



Emergence of the 78th fl row of ejections signifies the initiation of tilt.

Emergence of the 75th fl row of ejections signifies the beginning of global falling of the upper portion, or "release".



Stage 5: The 75th floor MER beam flooring, southwest corner, is shown as a yellow sheet in the first graphic. The attached west face MER perimeter panels are shown as a red sheet. During the final release of the upper tilting portion, the NW and SW corners of the 75th fl MER beam flooring was forcefully ejected from the building with MER west face perimeter panels still attached.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Each stage is based on a distinct observable feature

Therefore, we see, in order: (1) inward bowing, (2) emergence of the 78th fl ejections, (3) tilting, (4) emergence of the 75th fl ejections and (5) the forceful ejection of the 75th fl MER beam flooring with MER panels still attached out the west side of the building.
 
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... Each stage is based on a distinct observable feature
Would all gravity collapses have these stages? What about CDs? What is the conclusion from these observable features seen on 911, and many times since by real engineers?

... (1) inward bowing, ...
911 truth this would be due to the suck-a-bomb, special silent explosives set by a Satan like NWO unknown evildoer. What is the rational MIHOP claim for this. What is the reality based reason?

... (2) emergence of the 78th fl ejections, ...
For 911 truth more silent explosives from Ajax Corp. What caused this? Fire, or internal collapse?

... (3) tilting, ...
And this means? Would all gravity collapse have tilting?

... (4) emergence of the 75th fl ejections and ...
Must be a pressure front, something else the failed 911 truth movement would make up more silent explosives, or nano-thermite which was not found in the dust. Who was the failed 911 truth person who thinks a collapsing building can't cause air to escape? Crazy claims from 911 truth.

... (5) the forceful ejection of the 75th fl MER beam flooring with MER panels still attached out the west side of the building.
Wow, results from the release of gravitational potential energy, E=mgh.

The WTC complex looked like it was bombed by over 150 tons of TNT, looks like it was equal to E=mgh. A gravity collapse. NIST was right, a gravity collapse, most engineers in the world figured this out on 911. A few fringe engineers made up nonsense about the event, they must like to lie and make up CTs about things.
 

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