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General Israel/Palestine discussion thread

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Wait is'nt Syria gunning down protestors and shelling homes?
I guess I missed the posts from the Jew haters about that
 
Mycroft said:
Oh Jesus, has someone announced a prize for the most creative excuse and I didn't hear about it?

I think on an internet forum nobody expects you to write a tome, but a handful of bullet points describing these obligations you think are both important and applicable would be appropriate.

Can you manage that? Or are we safe in assuming that whatever they do after statehood will be fine by you just as whatever they do before statehood is? Can you commit to an opinion?
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go do your own legwork sunshine.

seriously, I have got better things to to than list all the obligations of statehood under international law...

and seriously son.....which international laws do you think are unimportant or not applicable? I think they are all important and applicable.

so....sorry, they are all international laws and I don't think a palestinian state should be treated differently than any other state in their application

I notice that you are completely ignoring the question about saddams Iraq....you remember? the one that where you didn't see any "rules" applied? amazingly avoiding seeing sanctions and invasion/s. :)
 
a_unique_person said:
Is this forum some kind of meeting point for parallel universes, one the normal sane world of evidence, one a bizarro world where mind reading really works and you can tell each other what everyone else thinks.
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I can't read anyone's mind, but I can read what they write on an internet message board. If you can't tell what someone thinks by reading thousands of their messages telling you what they think...then the written language itself is pointless.

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I do have Mycroft on ignore, he is pretty much the Matt Giwer of your side.
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This is so funny! It's been a very long time since I've updated my signature. :)
 
Mycroft said:
I can't read anyone's mind, but I can read what they write on an internet message board. If you can't tell what someone thinks by reading thousands of their messages telling you what they think...then the written language itself is pointless.
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here is a tip.

If you want to make a case regarding someones views then actually quote the examples you use to come to your conclusions....ranting about un-named groups and assigning opinions to them just doesn't cut it on a skeptic forum......sorry about that.
 
The Fool said:
go do your own legwork sunshine.

seriously, I have got better things to to than list all the obligations of statehood under international law...
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Okay, so you missed the part about condensing them to a few bullet points.

The Fool said:
and seriously son.....which international laws do you think are unimportant or not applicable? I think they are all important and applicable.
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So when I asked if you would commit to an opinion, the answer is "no".

The Fool said:
so....sorry, they are all international laws and I don't think a palestinian state should be treated differently than any other state in their application
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So...since there is no international law against killing Jews you won't be protesting if they continue that practice.

The Fool said:
I notice that you are completely ignoring the question about saddams Iraq....you remember? the one that where you didn't see any "rules" applied? amazingly avoiding seeing sanctions and invasion/s. :)
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Funny, I remember nobody doing squat when Saddam invaded Iran or when Saddam dropped nerve gas on his own citizens.

Are those the rules you will expect Palestinians to abide by? Get away with whatever you can until you tick off the big-guy too much? That's not exactly a recipe for peace.
 
The Fool said:
here is a tip.

If you want to make a case regarding someones views then actually quote the examples you use to come to your conclusions....ranting about un-named groups and assigning opinions to them just doesn't cut it on a skeptic forum......sorry about that.
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There is no un-named group here. Just you expressing your opinion.

I believe its the right of the palestinians to have a state. I don't put requirements on rights. It should just be done....then....the responsibilities of statehood should be required of them, as it is with everyone else.

So...what requirements do you demand before statehood? Zilch, nada, zero, nichts.

After statehood? Well, that's something kinda vague, and you can't be bothered to enumerate anything....

As always, please feel free to clarify if you think I have it wrong.
 
bikerdruid said:
so, next week, if hamas were to nuke tel aviv, we would be discussing it in the "General Israel/Palestine discussion thread"?
riiiight.:rolleyes:
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So you think if a city were nuked...the most pressing issue would be where to discuss it?

Not much of a humanitarian, are you?
 
Mycroft said:
Okay, so you missed the part about condensing them to a few bullet points.



So when I asked if you would commit to an opinion, the answer is "no".



So...since there is no international law against killing Jews you won't be protesting if they continue that practice.



Funny, I remember nobody doing squat when Saddam invaded Iran or when Saddam dropped nerve gas on his own citizens.

Are those the rules you will expect Palestinians to abide by? Get away with whatever you can until you tick off the big-guy too much? That's not exactly a recipe for peace.
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look, lets just cut to the chase here. Discussing things with you is pointless...

"there is no international law against killing jews"

what sort of a wierdo are you?

You appear to need some time for the obsessions to cool....on ignore you go.
 
Mycroft said:
So...why would the world media ignore such an important story broken by Gaza TV?
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Wasn't broken by Gaza TV. Apart from anything else it didn't require much paying attention to realise that this years protests were shaping up to be something more than a typical year's.
 
Skeptic said:
By the way, the "moderate" Abbas declared today the Palestinians will never "cease struggling" until Israel is destroyed through the "right of return".
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The historic injustice must be corrected. Jews have always been too smart to think Israel could survive as a Jewish state. I do not understand the constant whining about the inevitable which they have always known was inevitable.

I mean was the entire purpose to add one more eternal poor-us whine?
 
Stout said:
So I'll take that as a no then, and work on the idea that you were using the whole stolen land argument as a rhetorical device. nothing more.

Cheers
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I have no control over your deliberate misreading of what I posted. Rule 12 prohibits me from doing more than complimenting you on your courage in using an adolescent trope among adults.
 
Pardalis said:
"A Palestinian teenager was shot dead during protests in Jerusalem on Friday. Police said it was unclear who had shot him and they were investigating."

Want to bet that this one Palestinian death will cause wide international condemnation, and "peace activists" will take to the streets, while Syria and Bahrain are killing hundreds every week and no "peace activist" says anything?
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Everyone agrees the shot came from Beit Yonatan a building illegal under Israel law in addition to international law. It is named after the US traitor Pollard. It was ordered evacuated years ago by the courts. Israel, such a lawless place. Had the rule of law applied the man would be alive today and there would one less murderous Jew.
 
Thunder said:
until Israel officially recognizes the right of a Palestinian state in most of the WB, EJ, and all of Gaza, the Palestinians are really under no moral obligation to officially recognize Israel.

How about their Parliaments simply swap recognition letters?
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The entire purpose of Israel's demand is to prevent negotiations.

If you believe otherwise, please present the URL of such a formal recognition of "right to exist as a Jewish" including that phrase from any other country regarding any other country. Keep in mind, "almost the same" and "similar" are not acceptable.

Unless you wish to waste your time you can simply take my word for the fact that there is no such thing.
 
Skeptic said:
But it won't happen, since Abbas and his parliament refuse to recognize a Jewish state and refuse to give up on the "right of return" -- that is, the right to destroy Israel in stages.
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Although the US recognizes Vatican City it does not recognize it as a Catholic state.

The US is more Christian than Israel is Jewish so such a designation is obvious nonsense.

Should you wish to read further you will find recognition is only of a government of a country as representing that country. Any dealing with the government of a country is de facto recognition of the government. NO country ever recognizes more than the government of a country. The nature of the government is not recognized. The nature of the country is never recognized.

I am constantly amazed at people who talk so glibly on this subject know essentially nothing about it.
 
Bikerdruid, illegally crossing borders to riot and throw rocks at troops will get people killed. Militarized borders are not playgrounds. The Arabs knew it, and wanted it.
 
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