Split Thread The 9/11 Conspiracy Team

ladmo said:
this is perfect... this means when NORAD is confronted with an aggressor within the skies of the USA... they can make a value judgment... fantastic! This supports my claim and not yours that NORAD had no jurisdiction in American skies. Remember when you said that NORAD was not a policeman (paraphrase) for domestic skies? Well, you have just cited the opposite... thank you for admitting your mistake.

... emergencies is part of policing the skies.
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I was right.

I said this.


Military personnel will provide the following types of support: intercept, surveillance, lift, equipment, and communications. Military personnel may not participate in a search, seizure, arrest, or other similar activity. This restriction would include the apprehension of aircraft hijackers or use of military aircraft (fixed-wing or helicopter) or other vehicles as platforms for gunfire or the use of other weapons against suspected hijackers. In addition, assistance may not be provided under this enclosure if it could adversely affect national security or military preparedness.​
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You are making up the rest to make no point.

The fact is there is no anomaly or evil doing in the instructions, or actions by NORAD. The acts of 19 terrorists are not the fault of NORAD, the instructions, or anyone in the USA. 19 terrorists did 911 all by themselves, and NORAD stood up faster than the instructions would allow, so they followed emergency procedures and took action; there were pilots up who had no weapons.

Payne Stewart is exactly the response before 911 you could expect in off course, no contact emergencies. You were wrong, Payne Stewart is very relevant on what would happen before 911 for planes off course, not responding.

On 911 the military responded quicker than normal because at the second impact the military and others who were watching knew it was different on 911; those who had the means took action. If I had access to a fighter I would have had it up and flying, on my own! And that is about what happened on 911.

So what is your "ON The Fence" claim? What is your point?

You want Generals in Jail for what?
 
beachnut said:
I was right.

I said this.



You are making up the rest to make no point.
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I guess I need to post your original post it is post number 32

Originally Posted by ladmo View Post
... this is interesting. Can you provide some citation about our defenses not geared to deal with threats inside its borders? thx


Beachnut said...Study NORAD. Our Sky's are for commercial traffic, not combat air patrols. NORAD was intercepting aircraft coming from overseas , and they did it is airspace designed for them to be clear of traffic.

Please show us were there were rules to shoot down hijacked aircraft before 911, or tactics, or procedures.

The best you will find, the USAF would be called up to follow jets that were not responding, after an hour or two, and maybe shoot down derelict objects which endangered people or property.

The military is for war, not peace time domestic problems; the military is restricted from doing domestic police work, it is due to our heritage about not wanting troops in the street. Military for war, not domestic junk... end of Beachnut quote

The fact is there is no anomaly or evil doing in the instructions, or actions by NORAD. The acts of 19 terrorists are not the fault of NORAD, the instructions, or anyone in the USA. 19 terrorists did 911 all by themselves, and NORAD stood up faster than the instructions would allow, so they followed emergency procedures and took action; there were pilots up who had no weapons.
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WHO said this?

Payne Stewart is exactly the response before 911 you could expect in off course, no contact emergencies. You were wrong, Payne Stewart is very relevant on what would happen before 911 for planes off course, not responding.
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you created your own straw man that has nothing to do with your original statement. You are redefining the discussion.

On 911 the military responded quicker than normal because at the second impact the military and others who were watching knew it was different on 911; those who had the means took action. If I had access to a fighter I would have had it up and flying, on my own! And that is about what happened on 911.
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I am sure you would have been but again, it is a redirect of the original argument.

So what is your "ON The Fence" claim? What is your point?
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You categorically oppose what challenges your point of view. I don't have an oar in the water, so I am engaged in finding out what is out there but you avoid direct questions and redefine the "argument" with false choices.

Your original statement is still incorrect no matter how many times you attempt to restate it.

You want Generals in Jail for what?
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now you are bordering on insanity... point out where I said I want Generals in jail.
 
ladmo said:
... Beachnut said...Study NORAD. Our Sky's are for commercial traffic, not combat air patrols. NORAD was intercepting aircraft coming from overseas , and they did it is airspace designed for them to be clear of traffic.

Please show us were there were rules to shoot down hijacked aircraft before 911, or tactics, or procedures.

The best you will find, the USAF would be called up to follow jets that were not responding, after an hour or two, and maybe shoot down derelict objects which endangered people or property.

The military is for war, not peace time domestic problems; the military is restricted from doing domestic police work, it is due to our heritage about not wanting troops in the street. Military for war, not domestic junk... end of Beachnut quote
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What did I get wrong?
 
If you naive or otherwise trusters think that 9/11 was a series of Murphy's Law coincidences you're in for a rude awakening.
 
No, 9/11 was a brilliantly planned surprise attack exploiting simple loopholes in aviation process and procedure. The attack was without precedent -- multiple simultaneous hijackings with intent to crash had never been performed before so plans were not in place.

Five men armed with razors and prepared to die could easily take over an airplane. After that things got pretty confusing for the FAA until the planes came into visual range of the targets.
 
Clayton Moore said:
If you naive or otherwise trusters think that 9/11 was a series of Murphy's Law coincidences you're in for a rude awakening.
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Never underestimate the comedic potential of this section of the forums. The best part is, unintentional humor is one of my favorite types of comedy.
 
Clayton Moore said:
If you naive or otherwise trusters think that 9/11 was a series of Murphy's Law coincidences you're in for a rude awakening.
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This is funny coming from someone who is naive enough to believe the most ridiculous crap on the internet and trust it so much that they blindly follow it and run around obsessively trying to recruit others into the cult, like jehovah's witness with rabies.

Ohhhhh the rude awakening you are in for... if you ever actually wake up.
 
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ApolloGnomon said:
No, 9/11 was a brilliantly planned surprise attack exploiting simple loopholes in aviation process and procedure. The attack was without precedent -- multiple simultaneous hijackings with intent to crash had never been performed before so plans were not in place.

Five men armed with razors and prepared to die could easily take over an airplane. After that things got pretty confusing for the FAA until the planes came into visual range of the targets.
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Yet not one of the pilots, all of whom were very experienced, signaled that a hijacking was in progress.


Hey, where are the interviews with the flight gate employees from 9/11?

Hey, where are the interviews with the airport flight controllers from 9/11?

Hey, where are the interviews with the airport employees who saw the hijackers on 9/11?

Where are the follow up interviews?

Any other newsworthy event is human interest bonanza.
 
beachnut said:
That is it? Source?



What does this mean? Are you saying you will come get us when you take over? Is this a warning?
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The numbing mindlessness of your posts? Don't flatter yourself. You're lucky people love the USA enough to attempt to wake you the hell up.
 
The Platypus said:
This is funny coming from someone who is naive enough to believe the most ridiculous crap on the internet and trust it so much that they blindly follow it and run around obsessively trying to recruit others into the cult, like jehovah's witness with rabies.

Ohhhhh the rude awakening you are in for... if you ever actually wake up.
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Right. Clayton Moore is one guy who still falls for the missing 2.3 trillion crapola.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Wake up. All it would take would be 1 or 2 seconds to signal that a hijacking was in progress.
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Wake up. Do you really think that as the first guy is attacked and taken by surprise (either the pilot or co-pilot) and he is bleeding out from his throat being slashed he's going to have the wherewithal to signal for a highjacking?! You think that whoever was attacked second would signal instead of attempting to defend himself? And you tell us to wake up. :rolleyes:
 
Clayton Moore said:
The numbing mindlessness of your posts? Don't flatter yourself. You're lucky people love the USA enough to attempt to wake you the hell up.
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You spread idiotic lies. You are exposing your ignorance. When will you wake up from the fantasy?


The pilots were dead, they can't signal a hijacking when they are dead. What is the signal for being attacked?


You sound like Tim McVeigh.
Let's get our America back, the America with conscience. Back from the evil oligarchy hiding behind neoconservatives and the mainstream media.
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The evil oligarchy did it in your failed fantasy.
 
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